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Why do Christians treat calvinists as brothers in Christ?

21/06/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Why do Christians treat calvinists as brothers in Christ?

Much distress can occur when two conflicting ideologies exist within the same social group, especially within churches. For that reason it is always good to heed Paul’s admonition to not be unequally yoked together. Christians would (or should) be quite rightly upset if a practising Mormon (or Jehovah’s Witness, etc) were to be admitted to membership to their church; that is, assuming that their church is not one of those allegedly progressive Christian churches I have read about in America where some kind of brotherhood is implied between certain “Christians” and Mormons. I understand that it is one of the values of the emerging church movement to try to be as compatible with as many other belief systems as possible in order to keep the peace in their social communities. However, all they end up with is those beliefs that are compatible with all who attend; thus, the more beliefs you accommodate within your church, the fewer those beliefs can be. If you take this to its natural conclusion, it must be possible to have a church that will accept any who come, where there can be no conflict because you have no remaining beliefs with which to conflict!

Clearly, a genuine fundamentalist Christian should never consider fellowshipping with a Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness, or even those which some might label as “Christian”, such as Catholics and Seventh Day Adventists (because many of their beliefs are far from Christian). So why do such Christians still insist on fellowshipping with calvinists? Why are calvinist beliefs acceptable when the beliefs of other cults are not? Their man-made calvinist commandments are not compatible with the doctrines of the Bible alone, so how can light have fellowship with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:14-17a – 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing];

Look at all the calvinist beliefs that are incompatible with true Biblical doctrine. To start with, let’s look at the gospel. The gospel has to be the basis, the foundation, for every other Biblical doctrine, so if the gospel is wrong, then all other doctrines are going to be skewed out of shape. Therefore, if the calvinist gospel is incompatible with the Biblical gospel, then Christians should avoid fellowshipping with calvinists just as they would avoid JWs and Mormons etc.

The Bible teaches very clearly that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind without exception. While it does teach that man is so depraved that he will not under any circumstance desire to seek after God, it does not teach that man is incapable of seeking after God. That is, the Bible does not teach the total inability of man to seek after God under any circumstance. Biblical Christianity does agree with the calvinists that God must intervene in a man’s life before that man may respond favourably toward God. However, unlike the calvinists, the Bible teaches that God intervenes in the sinner’s life through the gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. It is the preaching of the word of the gospel that gives light to man’s dark soul, which is why satan tries so hard to hide it from the lost of the world.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 – 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

When the gospel is preached faithfully, the hearer will recognise it for what it is: that  God condemns sinful man to hell, but has provided a remedy for it, through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. The hearer of the gospel has to determine if he is prepared to believe that the God who punishes sin really exists, and if the proposed remedy (salvation) is more desirable than what he already has. That is, the hearer must determine by faith that God does truly exist and that He will reward those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) by delivering the salvation that He has promised through the gospel. On this basis, the hearer must either choose to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved, or to reject the promised salvation and not be saved. (Free will is very much a part of Biblical salvation, as is the necessity of God’s intervention in the first place if man is to be saved, by offering full and free salvation to all who would come for it.)

The calvinist teaches that lost man is dead in trespasses and sins, and incapable of responding to any intervention of God (including through the gospel). Calvinism teaches that until a man is made alive again (termed regeneration = being born again) he cannot respond at all. They teach that the lost, as dead men, are incapable of doing anything spiritually, quoting Ephesians 2:1 – And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins. While some calvinists say that the gospel is God’s means of reaching out to the lost, this is actually diametrically opposed to their doctrine of total inability to respond at all before being quickened (made alive) by the Spirit. For, according to calvinism, how can a dead man respond to anything at all until after he is quickened – made alive again – regenerated?

To the calvinist, the gospel is the external call of God which can and will be resisted by all men, including the still-lost calvinist elect. The internal call of the Spirit is only made to the elect of God and this call will not be resisted by any who are called. Once the person has been called by the Spirit to be quickened (made alive) through regeneration (being born again), he is then able to hear the gospel of salvation in Christ, believe by faith in that gospel, and be saved, and receive eternal life. That is, the calvinist has to be made alive, born again by the Spirit of God, before that man can hear and believe the gospel and be saved! Yes, that’s right, to the calvinist, you must be born again before you are able to be saved!

Being made alive through regeneration also raises some awkward questions for the calvinist, because he has to accept that the life of regeneration (being born again) is, in fact, eternal. It cannot be permitted to be any life which is inferior to eternal life, so therefore, according to the calvinist, a person has to receive eternal life from the Spirit at regeneration. But the Bible teaches that we must come to Christ for eternal life. John 5:40 says And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. That is, they would not come to Christ and therefore they would miss out on that eternal life which they could have had if only they would come. But calvinism teaches that a person has eternal life when he is regenerated (born again) which has to happen before a man can come to Christ for eternal life. Calvinism actually teaches that you have to have eternal life in order to come to Christ for eternal life!

Spurgeon, that allegedly “great” preacher (who could have been truly great had he more consistently taught Biblical truths only) admitted to this problem in his Sermon 52 (Free Will – A Slave; John 5:40) Eternal Life is Given to All Who Come for It
There never was a man who came to Christ for eternal life, for legal life, for spiritual life, who had not already received it, in some sense.
Spurgeon here is admitting the calvinist teaching that a man receives life at regeneration, yet still states that eternal life is given to all who come (to Christ) for it. Now, this life received at regeneration must be eternal life and not some inferior life, because calvinists also teach that this regeneration life is of the Spirit of God. It must be eternal life or else it is not given by the Spirit of God. This means that while we must come to Christ to receive eternal life, the calvinist has to teach that this is irrelevant because he already has eternal life before he comes to Christ! Thus, according to the calvinist, Christ has become irrelevant in the gospel of salvation. He isn’t a necessary part of their salvation, for a man may be born again and receive eternal life before he has even heard of Christ, let alone believed in Him! The calvinist is already going to heaven before he believes in Christ and is saved (and receives eternal life!).

Of course, Calvin taught that God sometimes gave a person a temporary faith (one that wouldn’t get him to heaven) by an inferior operation of the Spirit; this shocking blasphemy may be found in his Institutes Book III Chapter 2 Section 11.

Some calvinists recognise that being born again (regeneration) must be the same as being saved, yet are unable to teach this clearly because then a person would need to believe in Christ before he was regenerated, if regeneration were to be the same as “being saved”. Because a man cannot do anything spiritually good before he is regenerated (according to calvinist teachings), then he cannot even believe in Christ before he is saved. Thus calvinist “teachers” such as Boettner teach that A man is not saved because he believes in Christ; he believes in Christ because he is saved. (P 75, The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination – Loraine Boettner)

The Bible says that Jesus died for the sins of all the world (that is, all mankind without exception); salvation is offered to all who would receive the offered gift of life. The calvinists say that Jesus only died for those whom God would choose to go to heaven; salvation is offered to absolutely no-one else.
The Bible says that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Calvinists say that God decides who will be saved and that calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved cannot save you unless God wants to save you.
The Bible says that you must come to Christ for eternal life, whereas the calvinist says that you must receive eternal life before you can come to Christ.

Thus the calvinist gospel is clearly incompatible with the Biblical gospel. And, if the calvinist gospel is a false gospel, then other doctrines will also be badly skewed, such as the free will of man, the extent of the atonement of Christ, and the foreknowledge of God. And, in fact, each of these doctrines is twisted out of recognition in order to support a false gospel that cannot accept any free will of man, a false gospel that only permits Jesus to die for those whom God selects for heaven, and denies God’s perfect knowledge of the future, redefining it as a foreordaining, or predestination, or even a love relationship between God and his elect. All the major calvinist doctrines sound the same as Biblical doctrines in name only; in actual fact they are vastly different, in order to support a vastly different gospel! Please read for further information: When will calvinists become Biblical?

So, if you are a discerning, Bible-believing Christian, then consider carefully who you are fellowshipping with. You surely wouldn’t fellowship with a Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness, because light has no fellowship with darkness. Likewise, you should avoid fellowship with all cults that teach another gospel other than the Biblical gospel. Too many Christians today have meekly accepted calvinists as another type of Christian when in fact they preach another gospel that denies all the major tenets of the Biblical gospel. Be discerning! Test all things! Understand that there are many conflicts between the Biblical gospel and the calvinist gospel. There can be no compromise between God’s people and cults with a false gospel. Even if they pretend to be the same, calvinists are really wolves in sheep’s clothing, and, like wolves, usually end up taking over all the sheep-folds they are accepted into. Would you let wolves take charge of your flock of sheep? Then don’t let calvinist wolves into your sheep-fold in the first place!

Be warned! Don’t let the wolves dictate what you should believe! Think for yourselves; be thoughtful and alert, for the devil seeks to devour your faith. Resist the devil and his servants (the wolves); resist them steadfastly; don’t back down; don’t give in. Stand up for what the Bible teaches, not the teachings of man.
1 Peter 5:8-9 – 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
Far too many churches today have been destroyed for lack of knowledge due to the false teaching of such wolves as the calvinists. The church today desperately needs good solid teaching that trains Christians to stand in the face of enemy attack. Good solid teaching unadulterated by false doctrines such as the calvinists teach!

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When will calvinists become Biblical?

20/06/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Calvinist Non-Biblical Copouts!

That is, When will calvinists become Biblical?

I am amazed at the number of times allegedly calvinist apologists (I daren’t call them teachers!) make bold statements about the error of the non-calvinist views without any Biblical documentation to support their assertions. For example, Spurgeon (a dubious calvinist at best, anyway) says, “It has already been proved beyond all controversy that free-will is nonsense.” (“Free Will – A Slave”), yet he provides not one supporting Biblical fact for this wide-sweeping statement. How is it nonsense? Who has indeed proved it? Where is their apparently non-existent evidence for such extreme claims? Yet, all too often, I have been told (or have read) calvinist words to the effect that the doctrine of no free will is consistently taught in the Bible.

Well, everyone is entitled to his opinion as to what the Bible teaches, but if that opinion is to carry any credibility at all, it must be supported by properly documented evidence from the Bible itself. What amazes me (well, I shouldn’t really be amazed, actually) is that I cannot recall any time ever when such a calvinistic denial of free will has been accompanied by some genuine effort to explain this from the Bible. They will aggressively state their opposition to the doctrine of free will, and then launch into a full-scale sales pitch on the lack of free will for man.

Of course, it is essential that calvinists set in concrete their assumption of no free will, because every one of their heretical teachings would come tumbling down like a house of cards if free will for man were to be added to their sales pitch. Note that well-worn verse of theirs that so many calvinists claim to literally put an end to all discussion on the free will of man: No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him (John 6:44a) It is clear that no-one may come without that drawing, but is it also clear that all who are drawn must come? The answer is, “No!” The only way they can claim that all who are drawn must come is to deny all mankind the right to resist God’s drawing. That is, they have made the assumption that man has no free will to resist that drawing. However, if you add free will to the mixture, their teaching becomes somewhat non-Scriptural! No small wonder that they have to deny any doctrine of free will for mankind at any cost! (By the way, that same word for “draw” in the Greek is used in John 12:32 where Jesus says He will draw all to Himself when He is lifted up on the cross. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. If Jesus draws all to Himself and none may refuse such drawing, then this verse demonstrates calvinists to be universalists!)

In order for calvinists to push their false teachings, they have to knock out inconvenient Biblical truths first. They do this by firstly aggressively denying the Biblical doctrine (without any genuine Scriptural evidence, of course, because no such evidence exists). Then, while hopefully some significant doubt has been bullied into their opponents, they leave this attack on Biblical truth hanging while they then push their own alternative which now becomes the “truth” once the real Biblical truth has been “shot down”. Most genuine Christians are not prepared for such aggressive tactics; under such an onslaught they tend to back down somewhat and try to take some middle ground in order to defuse the situation. The calvinist is usually quite happy to accept middle ground for the time being; he can always build on this foundation more strongly the next time. The key to it all is to aggressively deny any inconvenient Biblical truth, and then apply their own heresy as “truth” and seek, if at the very least, some agreement to begin with.

Look at the following from MacArthur (on 2 Peter 2:1). These false teachers — watch this — can be recognized because they characteristically say no to whom?  To the Master who bought them.
There are two ways to understand this, apart from the analogy.  The analogy simply says “unthinkably, unimaginably, having been bought by a master they refuse to submit to his authority.”  In the spiritual dimension you would ask the question: In what sense did Christ buy these false teachers?  Two ways to view it.  First of all, you can view it as universal provision for the redemption of sinners, even though they refuse it and are damned.
But I think there is a second sense in which we have to understand this, that they have made an earthly identification with Christ’s redemption so that they claim Him as the one who bought them and they claim Him as their Redeemer, testifying that He indeed has bought them and their word then is taken at face value.  No matter what they say, though they say they are Christ’s, they refuse to say yes to His sovereign lordship and thus they are false teachers. https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/61-17/a-portrait-of-false-teachers-part-2

Do you see how MacArthur firstly says that this verse can be viewed in two ways? The first option is that these false teachers are part of a universal provision for the redemption for all sinners (which is clearly not the calvinist point of view!). But, MacArthur then adds his opinion on what he thinks it means, with the assumption that he must be right, so therefore those who believe the first option must be wrong. He doesn’t actually demonstrate in any way at all that the first option is incorrect. He gives no Biblical support to oppose the first option; he just pushes his own opinion (“I think there is a second sense in which we have to understand this”), similarly without Biblical support. Everything either stands or falls on the opinion of MacArthur, and thus, because MacArthur has taught such (regardless of any Biblical support or otherwise) then MacArthur must be right, and therefore the other view must be wrong. This is typical calvinist “teaching” methodology.

If MacArthur’s good standing as a “teacher” of the Bible is questioned, then other “heroes of the faith’ such as Jonathan Edwards, A W Pink, Calvin, Hodge, etc are called upon to add their vote of confidence to MacArthur’s “opinion taught as truth” (note Matthew 15:9). And, if those poor traditional fundamentalist Christians won’t accept such “erudite teachings” from such “great” men, then they can label them (shock! horror!) Arminians or even Pelagian! (Or maybe, if they are feeling kind, they might just call them “semi-Pelagian”!) It doesn’t matter if their opponents haven’t a clue what an Arminian or Pelagian is, the name-calling does seem to make calvinists somehow feel better. It’s a bit like MacArthur saying that he wouldn’t feel special if all those sinners going to hell also had their sins paid for on the cross; it would just spoil MacArthur’s day no doubt.

You hear people say, “Well, you know, when you say the atonement is limited, people don’t feel very special.” Well, I’ll tell you what. I don’t feel very special if you say to me, “Christ died for you, He loves you just like He died for the millions in hell.” That doesn’t make me feel very special. That’s kind of a hard way to do evangelism. Christ died on the cross for your sins and all the people in hell, too. That’s not special. That’s anything but special. You mean to tell me He paid for my sins and I’m paying for them forever? Then I’ll tell you, whatever His payment was, it was bogus.
(https://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-277/The-Doctrine-of-Actual-Atonement-Part-1)

Genuine Biblical Christians are often ill-equipped to defend true Biblical doctrine and often end up giving some ground in order to retreat and regroup. Instead, they should be taking the high ground of Biblical truth and requiring that calvinist false teachers demonstrate from the Bible alone – Sola Scriptura – why traditional Biblical truths (such as the free will of man) must be dismissed as untenable. The doctrine of the free will of man should never be dismissed just because some calvinist says so. Only the Bible may demonstrate such doctrines to be true or false, and when it comes to opposing such doctrines as the free will of man, the calvinists are almost always quite tongue-tied concerning Scriptural evidence. But the time has come for genuine Christians to stand up to these bullies and demand that they give clear Scriptural evidence for their dismissal of such basic Biblical doctrines.

If you were to establish the Biblical doctrine of free will, then not one single false calvinist teaching would be able to stand; instead all calvinism would be demonstrated to be the lies that it is. Every time a calvinist makes a statement that can only stand in the absence of free will for man, then ask him to demonstrate from the Bible that free will in salvation just cannot exist under any circumstances at all. If he dismisses your request as trivial, or says that it has already been shown beyond all doubt that free will does not exist, or that it is nonsense, or that the Bible consistently demonstrates that no such free will exists, then continue to demand that he show this clearly from the Bible. Ask him to prove it. Ask him to show from the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura) that such free will is nonsense. Do not accept any waffling on about this, that and everything else, avoiding the issue; demand that he just stick to the point and demonstrate it! But, he won’t because they can’t!

And, it’s not only free will that is denied by them, either. They also deny that “the whole world” in 1 John 2:2 can possibly mean “the whole world”! Most calvinists teach that “the whole world” can only include Christians, or those who believe, or only the elect or anything else that only allows the calvinist Jesus to die for the sins of only those whom God has chosen for heaven from the beginning. They vary in their documentation and explanations as to why they say that the calvinist Jesus only died for the sins of believers; in fact, they can go to great lengths to push their views home to their opponents. However, I have never once heard (or read) a calvinist actually trying to convince non-calvinists (especially from the Bible) that “the whole world” can never mean “the whole world without exception”.

In general, calvinists, having “established” by their own belief that “the whole world” cannot mean “the whole world”, then proceed post haste to ram their non-Scriptural doctrine of limited atonement down their opponents’ throats. At this point, genuine Christians should demand of those calvinist “teachers” that they firstly demonstrate from the Bible that “the whole world” just cannot ever mean “the whole world without exception”. Don’t be put off by wild talk that suggests this and that, but never gets to the point of it all. Don’t be distracted by their talk of great calvinist authorities who support their views. Don’t be bullied by accusations that you aren’t spiritual enough to understand, or that you are Arminian or whatever they think might put you down. Just keep bringing them back to the point: where does the Bible teach that “the whole world” cannot mean “the whole world”? If they cannot demonstrate their opinions satisfactorily from the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura – they love those words!) then inform them that they are out of order and have no right to teach you anything unless they can show you clearly that what you believe is non-Biblical.

And, of course, another doctrine they side-step so adroitly around (in order to leave it behind) is that of the foreknowledge of God. They will tell you that God cannot use foreknowledge because common sense tells us so (Boettner – The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination), or that it is futile to discuss foreknowledge because God has already foreordained everything (Calvin – Institutes Book III Section 23 Part 6) or that the calvinist God does not foreknow the free decisions of people to believe in Him because there aren’t any such free decisions to know (Piper – What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism 1998). They might even tell you that God’s foreknowledge refers to the establishment of a love relationship with that person (MacArthur – Considering Election Not Politics) or that it is an intimate predetermined relationship between God and His people (MacArthur – Chosen by God Part 2). And so on ad infinitum!

There are many times when calvinists so confidently inform you that you are wrong (with little or no scriptural documentation for their accusations) and then proceed to give you all the “benefits” of their “superior” intellects and understanding, after which, if you have been paying attention, you might be confused enough to think that some of what they so aggressively threw at you might be right. So, next time this happens, work out what it is they are not telling you, or what it is they have dismissed without any Biblical basis for doing so. Just keep on bringing them back to the real question: please explain from the Bible why my belief in the free will of man in salvation is wrong. Please show where the Bible teaches that “the whole world” cannot mean “the whole world”. Please tell me why God is not to be allowed to have a perfect knowledge of the future (= foreknowledge). Do not let them get onto their bandwagon of lies, but force them to demonstrate why you should listen to them in the first place. Compel them to tell you why your traditional fundamentalist beliefs are wrong, using Sola Scriptura – the Bible alone. Be single-minded in your adherence to Biblical truth. Don’t be distracted by aggression, bullying, name-calling, mud-slinging and other derogatory behaviour against you. If you believe the Bible to be true, do not let someone else come and tell you that there’s a new truth called calvinism that redefines Biblical truth into greater truth. What they really mean is that you believe a lie, so now they will reveal the truth. Esoteric knowledge? Yes! Biblical? No!

My next post will focus on why Christians should consider treating calvinists as they would Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormans etc. After all, their man-made commandments are not compatible with the doctrines of the Bible alone, so how can light have fellowship with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:14-17a – 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing];

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Does Everyone who Reads, Agree?

26/04/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Does everyone who reads, agree?

It is interesting (at least to me it is) to note that I have received not one challenge to my many criticisms of calvinist doctrines, especially noting the extreme teachings of new calvinism. I have accused calvinism of being a false gospel (The False Calvinist Gospel; The False Calvinist Gospel blog), of containing lies (The Big Lie of the Calvinists – Limited Atonement) of being a counterfeit Christian cult (Calvinism is a Counterfeit Christian Cult) and of having serious limitations in Biblical interpretation (Calvinism and Biblical Interpretation).

I have accused the calvinist God of creating the vast majority of mankind for the single purpose of creating most of mankind evil, then condemning them to hell for their sin which they were created to do (The Calvinist God created most of Mankind for torment in Hell), and that in spite of the calvinists claiming that their God is more sovereign (than what??), their God will only take responsibility for the small number he chooses for heaven (Calvinists deny God His Full Sovereignty).

I have demonstrated that the calvinist God ordained that mankind (through Adam) would sin, yet condemned mankind for that sin which the calvinist God ordered him to commit. In fact, I have shown that calvinists even teach that God decreed sin (Calvin, White), ordained sin (MacArthur, Piper), willed sin (Pink), authored sin (Cheung), ordered sin (Westminster Confession), and that in no way could man ever have made the decision himself that sin should enter this world (The Heresy of Calvinism Refuted Part 2).

And as if this isn’t already more than enough to demonstrate extreme heresy, I have shown that the calvinist God randomly selects a group of people to go to heaven, that it is the luck of this heavenly lotto that permits a small group of mankind to go to heaven, and that the calvinist Jesus didn’t bother dying for even one of the sins of any of the others who didn’t win a prize in the heavenly lotto. I have shown that the calvinist God (according to such as MacArthur) only uses foreknowledge to demonstrate love to the ones he has chosen, and thus the calvinist God’s foreknowledge cannot apply to most of the world – he either doesn’t want to know about them, or even cannot know anything about them by using foreknowledge! (The Heresy of Calvinism Refuted Part 1)

All of these comments so far clearly show that most calvinist beliefs are oxymoronic in that they teach one thing and mean something totally different! For instance, the calvinist God created sin and then blamed Adam for it. The calvinist God also taught that we are saved by the gospel of salvation through Christ, yet requires that we have to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit before we can believe in Jesus Christ! (The Oxymorons of Calvinist Doctrine)

A further oxymoron is that calvinists claim that calvinism is the gospel, yet cannot effectively preach the Biblical gospel to the lost until after they have been born again (they prefer the term “regenerated”). (Calvinism is the non-gospel; Calvinists born again before they are saved)

The calvinist God only loves his chosen ones with agape love, not those who are going to hell, yet commands Christians to love their enemies! It seems that Christians can be more loving than the calvinist God! And in spite of Jesus being the propitiation for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), the calvinists teach that the whole world actually means only the Christians in the world! (The Big Lie of the Calvinists).

Over and over I have demonstrated, in many documents on our website, that calvinism makes so many claims that just cannot be supported from the Bible; that, in fact, calvinism cannot be considered a Christian belief. Many calvinist “teachers” attempt to teach heresies as truth, while twisting facts and using verbal gymnastics to side-step any obvious issues. For example, MacArthur misuses the Granville Sharp rule (of Greek) to try to make foreknowledge the same as the foreordaining of God (MacArthur is Wrong) and misuses Hebrew Parallelism to teach that when the same word is used twice in a verse, then they have to have different meanings (MacArthur is Wrong – Again!). Like all calvinists, MacArthur teaches that no works can save a person, yet also teaches that the calvinist Jesus died for God’s chosen people because they were special enough; of course, the rest were not chosen for heaven because they were not special enough (MacArthur teaches Works Salvation)! As well as this, MacArthur teaches that if Jesus died for all mankind, then all He could offer would be a “potential” salvation, not an “actual” salvation. He says that a potential salvation is only a half-way salvation, not an actual salvation. Does that mean that a savage tiger, a potential man-eater, is only able to half-kill you, but not actually fully kill you? Is “potential” really any less potent than “actual”? Is a potential bullet from a gun any less deadly because it is not yet actual? (Potential Vs Actual Salvation? What’s the Difference?)
By the way, MacArthur, while condemning freemasonry as evil, incongruously also praises the spiritual harvest of his freemason grand master great grandfather (Is MacArthur a freemason?).

So far, in perhaps 12 months of placing such documents online, not one person has been able to make a reasonable comment on why anything that I have written is not true. Currently this website is attracting a good number of genuine hits every day, yet seemingly not one person has been able to refute any of my statements. People are reading my documents, and apparently are either in agreement with the information, or, at least, have no significant dispute with my comments (judging from the total lack of disagreement!). However, I am certain that some of those reading would call themselves genuine calvinists (or new calvinists) yet not one has considered it reasonable or necessary to actually comment.

I realise that when calvinists are confronted with truths that they cannot refute, they are very likely to just ignore them, giving them the silent treatment! I’ve had this reaction from calvinists a few times already: that when they cannot effectively and truthfully answer what is said, they will turn away from you, and go back to their lies. Like Winston Churchill once said, “Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened.” That is, they will turn away and pretend that it (the truth) never happened in the first place.

But the Bible is truth! If the calvinists stuck to what the Bible said, they wouldn’t be calvinists, though. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have their Watchtower Society, the Seventh Day Adventists have their writings of Ellen White, the Mormons have their book of Mormon, and the calvinists have Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion. Without their extra writings of enlightenment they would probably have to believe in the Bible alone. But they cannot worship their Gods without these extra revelations, and they correspondingly condemn others who don’t believe (as they do) of being somehow not spiritual, or unsaved, or unenlightened, etc.

So, here’s the challenge: can any calvinist actually demonstrate to me, by the use of the Bible alone, and without referring to Calvin or any other of their “learned teachers”, any of my writings that are not Scripturally correct? Remember that the Bible has to be consistent throughout; any inconsistency therefore has to have a lie somewhere. And, if they wish to prove that their interpretation is the only one, they will have to absolutely disprove any alternative teaching that gets in the way of their “truth”! No-one has taken up the challenge yet, probably because it’s not easy to disprove a Biblical truth! But, I’m listening!

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The Seventh Day Adventist Connection to New Calvinism

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The Seventh Day Adventist connection to new calvinism

I have documented this connection to some extent elsewhere; however, it is necessary to demonstrate the extent to which the Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) teaching on daily justification has influenced the development of new calvinism.
“Seventh Day Adventists Believe …..”
Daily Justification. All believers who are living the Spirit-filled sanctified life (Christ-possessed) have a continuing need for daily justification (Christ-bestowed). We need this because of conscious transgressions and because of errors we may commit unwillingly. Realizing the sinfulness of the human heart, David requested forgiveness for his “hidden faults” (Ps. 19:12, RSV; cf. Jer. 17:9). Speaking specifically of the sins of believers, God assures us that “if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1).
(https://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-10.htm)

SDAs believe that it is necessary for them to continue to obey the Law of God in order to demonstrate that they are saved. They do not necessarily believe that the works of the Law save them; rather, they believe that if they are truly saved, then they will indeed obey the Law. Effectively it results in their obedience to the Law of God being that which saved them, because that is what they have to demonstrate in order to be considered saved. Obedience to the Law is theoretically a consequence of their salvation, yet in practice it becomes the cause! Therefore, if you sin, you may demonstrate your lack of justification and so you must repent, confess and renounce your sin in order to be restored to justification with God. The act of repentance remains the responsibility of the SDA believer, though.

The SDAs were not the only ones to perceive a need for daily or ongoing justification to maintain their salvation. Luther also taught that justification was ongoing: On no condition is sin a passing phase, but we are justified daily by the unmerited forgiveness of sins and by the justification of God’s mercy. Sin remains, then, perpetually in this life, until the hour of the last judgment comes and then at last we shall be made perfectly righteous. (Luther’s Works Vol.34, p.167.)
Daily we sin, daily we are continually justified, just as a doctor is forced to heal sickness day by day until it is cured. (Luther’s Works Vol.34, p.191.)
Of course, Luther was still very catholic in his doctrines, being an Augustinian monk, and hadn’t quite broken free of the need for daily or regular confession for justification.

Even Calvin couldn’t clearly rule out ongoing justification when he claimed that justification and sanctification couldn’t be separated. “Christ cannot be divided into parts, so the two things, justification and sanctification, which we perceive to be united together in him, are inseparable.” (Institutes Bk 3 Ch 11 Section 6)
Reformed writers such as John Murray also taught (in his document “Law and Grace”) that continuing obedience to the Law was necessary to maintain your elect status.
Puritan Anthony Burgess in 1654 wrote Thus it is here, God out of his mere grace did upon our believing put us in a state of Justification, from which favour we should fall every moment, did not God continue us therein. Hence in the Text its (unclear word) God that is continually justifying of us; ….. thus it is in our Justification, we need a constant remission, we want a perpetual imputation, because our sins and imperfections are renewed daily. (The True Doctrines of Justification Asserted & Vindicated – Anthony Burgess)

And the Gospel Coalition (of new calvinist leaders) states:
As we sin daily, so he justifies daily, and we must daily go to him for it. Justification is an ever-running fountain, and therefore we cannot look to have all the water at once.
(Quoted from puritan William Fenner, by Ray Ortlund, Renewal Ministries, www.ortlund.net, at the The Gospel Coalition National Conference, 13 April 2011. Ortlund’s website states that he is a Council member with The Gospel Coalition.)
It is reasonable to assume that the Gospel Coalition believes in both a once-off justification when born again, and an ongoing justification (by God) to maintain our righteous status before a holy God.

It was the SDA teaching of an ongoing justification process that Robert Brinsmead (an Australian who declared himself to be a Reform SDA) would take to USA with the Australian Forum around 1970. It was also in 1970 that Jay Adams, a professor at Westminster Theological Seminary (USA) wrote “Competent to Counsel”, a book that would abruptly change the direction of church counselling. And it was Jon Zens’ connection with Robert Brinsmead through Westminster Theological Seminary where he completed studies in 1972. It was at Westminster that he read Brinsmead’s Present truth magazine (which outlined Brinsmead’s views in the Australian Forum). Zens was reformed Baptist, but saw no real conflict with Present Truth which was reformed SDA.

It was Zens who was to do much of the pioneering work in the development of New Covenant Theology, which would play a major role in the development of Sonship Theology, which would, in turn, become known as new calvinism.
Zens’ groundbreaking articles in the late 1970s, “Is There a ‘Covenant of Grace’?” and “Crucial Thoughts on ‘Law’ in the New Covenant,” were highly instrumental in developing what came to be called “New Covenant Theology.”
(https://frankviola.me/jonzens/)
The Sonship movement finds its roots in the ministry of the late Dr. Jack Miller, founder of World Harvest Mission, a sending missions agency.
(Christ Covenant Presbyterian Church’s position on Sonship Theology)
(Jack Miller) served as pastor of New Life Presbyterian Church in Jenkintown, Pennsylvania, and taught practical theology at Westminster Theological Seminary. Miller founded World Harvest Mission (now named Serge) and the New Life Presbyterian network of Orthodox Presbyterian churches. He was known for emphasizing the Christian’s status as a child of God, a view known as sonship theology. (Wikipedia)

However, it was Prof Jay Adams who would be the pivotal person in the development of counselling that would support this new theology at Westminster. His ground-breaking book “Competent to Counsel: Introduction to Nouthetic Counseling” came around the same time as the SDA input from Brinsmead, and the New Covenant Theology of Jon Zens. From Adams’ input came nouthetic counselling which was designed to provide counselling support for the new thinking that was developing at Westminster Seminary.

But the new nouthetic counselling movement apparently wasn’t as supportive of the developing Sonship Theology as it could have been. Jay Adams himself appears to have had strong views on the justification being a once-off event; thus his counselling methodology was going to be a problem for a theology that had taken the SDA doctrine of an ongoing or daily justification on board. If nouthetic counselling were to be an integral part of the new theology, then it had to be able to counsel for ongoing repentance and restoration by God’s grace. Nouthetic counselling allowed for God’s forgiveness, but it also assumed that God’s elect were justified once at regeneration, and that such people would demonstrate this by their puritan lifestyles. A puritan lifestyle didn’t really permit those with serious sin to continue to be declared God’s elect. If you sinned badly, you were out, off the list of elect! The nouthetic counselling of Jay Adams was therefore more suited for keeping people living within the puritan lifestyle, rather than counselling for restoration back to the puritan lifestyle if they had departed from it!

Adams didn’t actually see a problem with the name Biblical Counselling; rather, it appears that his disagreement would eventually be over its application to a doctrine of an ongoing justification for ongoing restoration.
In a 1976 book, What About Nouthetic Counseling, Adams said he actually preferred the title “biblical counseling.”
Powlison was to take over Adams position in the development of Biblical Counselling. Note that “Pastoral Practice” now becomes “Biblical Counselling”!
The next big leader in Adams’s counseling movement was David Powlison, who succeeded Adams as the editor of The Journal of Pastoral Practice and immediately renamed it The Journal of Biblical Counseling.
The new Biblical Counselling movement was then developed further by Powlison, Welch and Tripp into the Biblical Counselling in churches today.
Biblical Counsellors identify with second-generation leaders like David Powlison, Ed Welch, and Paul Tripp.
(All these quotes from https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/two-sides-of-the-counseling-coin/)

All of this (that is, Sonship theology/new calvinism) has come about as a result of the fusion of ideas at Westminster, ideas such as (a) the ongoing justification of the SDA, (b) the traditional calvinism upon which Westminster was commenced (but which same doctrine was losing popularity to the young evangelical fundamentalists), and (c) the need for a church counselling model that was supportive of the doctrines taught. In fact, new calvinist John Piper says that There would be no New Calvinism without Westminster Seminary. (https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/5-reasons-why-the-new-calvinism-is-worth-supporting/)

The fusion of these ideas initially produced nouthetic counselling which was to become Biblical Counselling, and from these counselling models developed the Sonship Theology which would then become new calvinism. It was the early development of Biblical Counselling which came first, which then required a new theology framework in which to present the new counselling model. Biblical Counselling was not greatly supportive of any theology which required living a good life (which automatically cancelled out traditional calvinism). Instead it was more supportive of a theology that catered for people who sinned regularly. Traditional calvinist theology strongly discouraged people from committing sin in the first place, and frowned upon a lifestyle that appeared to condone, even encourage sin among God’s people. But Biblical Counselling was best used to restore sinful people back to a righteous relationship with God. And, best of all, people who sinned badly didn’t have to be removed from church membership, that is, if they repented and were restored again (by God’s grace, naturally).
See New Calvinism is Biblical Counselling

The most effective theology platform for Biblical Counselling to use was therefore one that permitted God’s people to sin, yet also to repent and be restored, all by the grace of God. Such theology may not actually openly encourage people to sin – it was always accepted that proper theology should appear to discourage sin – but it should make it much easier for people to repent and be restored to fellowship in the event of them sinning.

The New Covenant Theology of Jon Zens was indeed supportive of Biblical Counselling. New Covenant Theology was refined further to become Sonship Theology, which taught that no matter how much God’s elect sinned, God’s grace would always be sufficient to overcome their sin. Basically, no matter how much you sin, you cannot ever lose your salvation if you are one of God’s elect.
Sonship Theology is an attempt to elevate grace, the assurance of salvation we have in Jesus Christ, and the intention of God to preserve Christ’s sheep so that not one is ever lost. (https://covenant-presbyterian.church/articles/from-the-pastors-desk/sonship-theology)

Sonship Theology was a perfect consequence of the development of Biblical Counselling. Sonship Theology was an effective tool for Biblical Counselling. But many calvinists were not as supportive as they could be. It just didn’t have the right image to get people’s attention. It needed a new marketing image in order to escape the obvious accusations that it was only an excuse to be able to sin without penalty from a holy God. New Covenant Theology had been seen as a development of traditional Covenant Theology; it wasn’t an alien theology but just a “new” upgraded version of the “old”. And likewise, the new marketed image of “new” calvinism (instead of Sonship Theology) was seen as an upgraded version of the “old” calvinism. And in the past 12 or so years, new calvinism has become the name of the theology that was developed to support the doctrines of Biblical Counselling in the church today. The marketing has indeed been very successful, so far.

For further related reading please go to:

New calvinism is Biblical Counselling

Biblical Counselling as an Aid to Control the Church

The New Calvinism Gospel

Biblical Counselling & New Calvinism today

The Gospel of New Calvinism

Also try these:

The False Calvinist Gospel blog

The False Calvinist Gospel

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New Calvinism is Biblical Counselling

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New Calvinism is Biblical Counselling

Both new calvinism and Biblical Counselling were developed into what they are today from their combined beginnings in the 1970s at Westminster Theological Seminary (USA). One is not separate from the other; each one is an integral part of the other. From the same fusion of Seventh Day Adventist and calvinist beliefs at Westminster in the 1970s came both nouthetic counselling and Sonship Theology in the 1980s. Both were founded upon the same teachings and each one cannot exist without the other. From nouthetic counselling came Biblical Counselling and from Sonship Theology came new calvinism. And, today, new calvinism is Biblical Counselling.

New calvinism is traditional calvinism with the Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) doctrine of ongoing or daily justification added. The following from SDA sources demonstrate this.
In this regard justification and judgment should be conceived as integral elements of the ongoing movement of salvation-history.
(https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/materials/theology-salvation/justification-faith-and-judgment-according-works)
 “Seventh Day Adventists Believe …..”
Daily Justification. All believers who are living the Spirit-filled sanctified life (Christ-possessed) have a continuing need for daily justification (Christ-bestowed). We need this because of conscious transgressions and because of errors we may commit unwillingly. Realizing the sinfulness of the human heart, David requested forgiveness for his “hidden faults” (Ps. 19:12, RSV; cf. Jer. 17:9). Speaking specifically of the sins of believers, God assures us that “if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1).
(https://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-10.htm)
Also see The Seventh Day Adventist Connection to New Calvinism

Even Luther taught that justification was ongoing: On no condition is sin a passing phase, but we are justified daily by the unmerited forgiveness of sins and by the justification of God’s mercy. Sin remains, then, perpetually in this life, until the hour of the last judgment comes and then at last we shall be made perfectly righteous. (Luther’s Works Vol.34, p.167.)
Daily we sin, daily we are continually justified, just as a doctor is forced to heal sickness day by day until it is cured. (Luther’s Works Vol.34, p.191.)

Calvin appeared to vacillate on this matter somewhat, but did say, “Christ cannot be divided into parts, so the two things, justification and sanctification, which we perceive to be united together in him, are inseparable.” (Institutes Bk 3 Ch 11 Section 6)

Traditional calvinism generally assumes a once-off justification at regeneration, and that if you fell significantly into sin, it demonstrated that you weren’t actually one of God’s elect after all. If you were one of God’s elect, then you would not have fallen into significant sin. Significant sin then meant the likelihood of being removed from a calvinist church membership as not being qualified (that is, not demonstrating that you were one of the elect).

But mega-churches don’t get built quickly (if at all!) when chronic or serious sinners have to be removed from church membership lists. Having a doctrine that permits sinners to remain in membership is a bonus, especially if you are thinking of the bottom line on the church’s bank statement! So today we have new calvinism that permits the sinner to remain as one of God’s elect, subject to God’s grace being sufficient to overcome your sin. New calvinism teaches that if God, by grace, gives you the gift of repentance, then you are one of his elect. (Of course, if you’re not one of God’s elect, then you won’t repent, according to new calvinist theology. The calvinist God’s grace will not be made available to you!) No longer is there one major sin strike and you’re out!

New calvinism (Sonship Theology) basically says that if you are one of God’s children (sons), then no matter how much you fall into sin, God will always grant you sufficient grace to repent and be restored to righteousness. (That’s why so many new calvinist churches are called Grace churches!) One of God’s elect cannot commit any sin that would cause them to lose their salvation. If God by his grace grants you repentance for your sin, then you are still considered his child. (The new calvinist God wouldn’t grant repentance to any non-elect!) No sin can ever cause you to lose your salvation! If a sin did lose you your salvation, then you weren’t one of God’s elect in the first place. This is new calvinism in a nutshell. A big danger is that it can introduce perfection in holiness teachings. That is, you can sin as much as you wish, but repenting all the time, and you remain one of God’s elect; sin cannot seperate you from a holy God!

With new calvinism you could repent and be restored back into church fellowship again, because that repentance showed that God had indeed been gracious toward you in permitting you to want to repent. If you weren’t one of God’s elect, then God wouldn’t give you any grace and therefore you wouldn’t want to repent. A lack of repentance would demonstrate the lack of God’s grace in your life and therefore you could not be accepted as one of God’s elect. Only one of God’s elect would be granted repentance by the grace of God. This is the theology of new calvinism: that you only have to repent, confess and renounce your sin and everything is OK again.

New calvinism teaches that you have to be restored daily to justification (some prefer the term “righteousness” but mean “justification”) with God (as per that SDA connection) in order to demonstrate your perseverance in the faith as God’s elect. But unlike SDA doctrine, it also teaches that the responsibility for this perseverance rests upon God, not man. If you are one of God’s elect, he will provide ongoing repentance and restoration, ensuring that your justification as one of God’s elect will not be compromised by anything you can do. So, if we sin daily, God restores us daily by giving us repentance daily. Because the new calvinist elect cannot lose his salvation no matter what sin he commits (because God’s elect are supposedly prevented by God from committing anything that would lose them their elect status) then they remain justified until the end. The new calvinist elect of God cannot lose his salvation ever, no matter what your sin. Technically he cannot ever be unjustified!

Thus, the new calvinists teach that no matter what sin you might commit, you are effectively justified from every sin on an ongoing basis; such justification maintains the righteousness of the elect before holy God. The Gospel Coalition (of new calvinist leaders) sometimes states that it believes in a once-off justification, yet the following from their 2011 National Conference states otherwise.
As we sin daily, so he justifies daily, and we must daily go to him for it. Justification is an ever-running fountain, and therefore we cannot look to have all the water at once.
(Quoted from puritan William Fenner, by Ray Ortlund, Renewal Ministries, www.ortlund.net, The Gospel Coalition National Conference, 13 April 2011. Ortlund’s website states that he is a Council member with The Gospel Coalition.)
It is reasonable to assume that the Gospel Coalition believes in both a once-off justification when born again, and an ongoing justification (by God) to maintain our righteous status before a holy God.

Even the reformed writer John Murray says (in “Law and Grace”) apparently in support of an ongoing need to maintain our justification with God by persevering in holiness:
Law not only enunciates justice; it guards justice. It ensures that where there is righteousness to the full extent of its demand there will be the corresponding justification and life. ……
He (Paul) lists for us a catalogue of sins, thereby illustrating the unrighteousness which excludes from the kingdom of God—fornication, idolatry, adultery, effeminacy, sodomy, thievery, covetousness, drunkenness, reviling, extortion (I Corinthians 6:9, 10). His intent is to illustrate the character and conduct which identify those who have no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (cf. verse 10), and he is saying in effect: ‘You believers have been washed and sanctified and justified, and you cannot play fast and loose with any wrongdoing; as heirs of the kingdom of God you must behave accordingly; you must appreciate the antithesis between the kingdom of God amid the world’. ……
It is one of the most perilous distortions of the doctrine of grace, and one that has carried with it the saddest records of moral and spiritual disaster, to assume that past privileges, however high they may be, guarantee the security of men irrespective of perseverance in faith and holiness.

So, whether you call it ongoing justification or ongoing righteousness, new calvinist teaching still comes down to the same thing: that sin should identify us as not being one of God’s elect, and therefore we should maintain our “cleanness” from sin to maintain our perceived position as one of God’s elect. New calvinism also teaches that if you are one of God’s elect, God will ensure that whenever you sin (no matter how badly), he will take responsibility for guaranteeing that your state of justification (or righteousness) is maintained (by his grace) until the end.

But how do churches actually implement this theology? It’s all very well to teach that we must repent daily so God can justify us daily, but how is this to be carried out in real practice in the church? How do we actually go to God daily for his justification? This is where Biblical Counselling comes into the picture. Biblical Counselling is the practical framework that puts the new calvinist theology into action. New calvinism (Sonship Theology) is the theoretical side of this theology, but Biblical Counselling is the actual practical application of this theology. In other words, new calvinism is Biblical Counselling, and Biblical Counselling is new calvinism. If you are a new calvinist church, you’ll need Biblical Counselling to implement your theology. If you have Biblical Counselling in action, then you are already implementing new calvinism. One implies the other; you cannot have one without the other!

Biblical Counselling assumes that you will sin, and when you do sin, you will confess it to your counsellor, who will counsel you back to restoration in the church. Catholic doctrine also teaches an ongoing need to repent and be forgiven through the confessional. If a catholic dies unjustified (because of unconfessed sin), then he can’t be justified and can’t be saved. (Purgatory is their back door to salvation!)

Both Biblical Counselling and the catholic confessional require that the church (via its representative – Biblical Counsellor or father confessor) be the adjudicator for the administering of forgiveness. It is the church in both cases that determines whether a person is sufficiently penitent to enable restoration back into the church fold again. In this way the church retains control over who may be restored (by God’s grace), and thus the church becomes the administrator of the grace of God. By this means the church may define what is acceptable via its acceptance or otherwise of a person’s repentance. And the church may also define who is and who isn’t of the elect of God, based upon their views of the person’s repentance and restoration.

The new calvinist church (through the Biblical Counsellor) therefore has some measure of control over what it is prepared to define as sin. That is, the church member toes the line according to the requirements of the church or else he is to be disciplined by the church for not conforming to Biblical Counselling recommendations. He may even be declared non-elect (effectively non-Christian!) and dismissed from church membership. In this way the theology of new calvinism may be reinforced. Biblical Counselling is effectively a means by which the church may define who is elect of God, and by which means they may reject as non-elect those who do not conform to the discipline of the church. New calvinism is Biblical Counselling and Biblical Counselling is new calvinism! Beware of this pernicious evil ever gaining a foothold in your church!

For further related reading please go to:

The Seventh Day Adventist Connection to New Calvinism

Biblical Counselling as an Aid to Control the Church

The New Calvinism Gospel

Biblical Counselling & New Calvinism today

The Gospel of new Calvinism

Also try these:

The False Calvinist Gospel blog

The False Calvinist Gospel

List of all my posts on this site.

If you wish to read other documents on the heresies of calvinism, please use this link.

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Biblical Counselling as an Aid to Control the Church

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Biblical Counselling as an Aid to Control the Church

This is part of a larger document called The Gospel of New Calvinism which covers both the gospel and Biblical Counselling of new calvinism today.
New calvinism is a term loosely applied to a syncretistic belief system based upon the merging of Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) beliefs and traditional calvinist beliefs. It was a Seventh Day Adventist with calvinist leanings named Robert Brinsmead who was largely responsible for kick-starting what we call new calvinism today. Brinsmead led the Australian Forum (a think tank group of people to discuss calvinist SDA beliefs). In 1970 the Australian Forum commenced to spread its reformed or calvinist SDA views, and these views were taken up by Westminster Theological Seminary (USA).  

Also, in 1970 Jay Adams of Westminster Seminary published “Competent to Counsel”, a document that would eventually lead to what we know today as the Biblical Counselling movement. But, the views of the Australian Forum were to also merge with the traditional calvinist views of Westminster Seminary to lead, firstly to Sonship Theology, which was then adapted and relabelled as new calvinism. The traditional calvinist views were to be transformed into the new calvinism of the Young, Restless and Reformed (YRR), a phrase apparently coined for new calvinists by Christianity Today in 2006.

So what are the distinctives of new calvinism? It is clear that Brinsmead (with his Australian Forum) and Jay Adams (with his new direction on counselling) both played a major part in this new calvinist belief system. New calvinism is a fusion, a merging together, of traditional calvinism and SDA beliefs. Take the traditional calvinist gospel of the unconditional election which taught that if you were one of God’s elect, you were guaranteed your salvation forever. But if you didn’t persevere in the works of righteousness, then you were not one of God’s elect and therefore you were not going to heaven, ever. That is, one major sinful strike and you’re out!

However, add the SDA gospel which taught that if you fell into sin, you could choose to repent, confess and renounce your sin. In this way God would provide regular sanctification so that you could be regularly justified. Thus, you add the SDA fusion of an ongoing justification based upon an ongoing sanctification (which resulted from your ongoing repentance, confession and renouncing of sin).
This is a major tenet taught by new calvinists today, that we need an ongoing or daily justification.
As we sin daily, so he justifies daily, and we must daily go to him for it.
(Justification Vs Self-justification, The Gospel Coalition National Conference 13/04/11)

Calvinists could now sin and regain their justification and still have a guarantee of salvation at the end. And, the SDAs gained from this a guarantee of salvation which their old gospel didn’t give them.
(For further reading, see The New Calvinism Gospel post and The Gospel of New Calvinism.)

This new gospel of the new calvinists was a seller. That it wasn’t scripturally correct didn’t matter; when did being scripturally correct matter today in an age of such consumerism? (That is, you deliver the goods that the population wants, and they’ll beat a pathway to your door!) No longer did they have to, as calvinists, kick out those who sinned badly, and declaring them to be not of God’s elect. No, that was a thing of the past. Now, if a person could be convinced to repent, confess and renounce his sin, then he could remain in the church, for God would only have granted repentance to his elect. Losing members due to sinful behaviour had been a problem in the past. Not only did it lower the numbers in church (and, very importantly, the offering!) but it prevented the scandal of having sinful church members being the cause of others not coming to their church. But now even the sinners could stay (and play and pay!).

This was to form the basis of Sonship Theology, which taught that, as God’s children, Christians could sin, knowing that if they were of God’s elect, their God would always provide sufficient grace to reinstall them into fellowship. That is, if they were God’s elect, then they couldn’t do anything that would lose them their assurance of salvation.
If you can never be lost, then no sin you commit can ever change that fact. If you repented of your sin, then new calvinism taught that God had given repentance to you as a gift; thus that sin could not affect your salvation. Repentance was the evidence that God was demonstrating that his grace would overcome your sin. If you repented, it demonstrated that you were one of God’s elect. It was the lack of repentance that demonstrated that you couldn’t be one of God’s elect. Now the demonstration of your election had gone from living a puritan lifestyle to a willingness to be able to repent of and renounce any sin you committed!

But how do you administer such a loose belief system? If people may be permitted to sin, then repent, confess and renounce such sin in order to remain acceptable to their God (often for the sake of the church and its leaders!), then what’s to stop them from abusing this system? What’s to stop them from committing sin as and when they like, knowing that they’ll be still able to get up and continue running the race? What checks and balances are there in such a system? You don’t want to kick people out because a good business never kicks out its better customers. But you do need some form of control to prevent it turning into a sin free-for-all. You need “control”!

Enter Biblical Counselling! Over the centuries the catholic church has used the confessional to control its members. Originally known as nouthetic counselling, Biblical Counselling has now taken the place of the catholic confession. New calvinism theology required an ongoing repentance leading to ongoing justification, and Biblical Counselling would provide the practical means by which God’s “elect” would demonstrate their election by the repentance allegedly given to them as a gift from God.

Biblical Counsellors often encourage people to confess sins, telling them that sin is the basis for their problems, and that the removal of such sin is the first step toward solving their problems. If you have a problem, then sin is responsible somewhere, and that includes you. What sin might you have committed that could have helped cause the problem? If you have a problem with another person, for instance, what is your particular responsibility for what has happened. If your husband has been unfaithful to you, then what might you have done to lead to this happening? Perhaps if you’d been a better wife, then maybe this mightn’t have happened. Biblical Counsellors are seemingly more interested in keeping the peace in the church than they are with seeking actual truth. In fact, truth becomes a problem if it might get in the way of reconciliation!

Church leaders want their churches to be big, rich and successful. This means lots of people putting lots of money into the offering plates! Sinful behaviour and scandals aren’t helpful. Reconciliation for all is the name of the game, even if some truth has to be sacrificed for the sake of the unity of the brethren!
Of course, if these sinners had sinned against another member of that church community, then it required that those alleged victims of the sin (or crime as it would often turn out) also should forgive and forget such sin. If God had forgiven such sin, then those offended church members should be able to do no less than to also forgive and forget. The sinner was now reconciled to the new calvinist God and therefore the victims should likewise be reconciled to the sinner who had offended them – even if that sin was a crime such as child abuse or rape, wife-beating or being unfaithful to one’s spouse.

All this was usually dealt with under the heading of Biblical Counselling, in an effort to get the sinner to repent, confess and renounce his sin. And, of course, the victims were also counselled (biblically, of course!) to give up their feelings (of anger etc) that were not helping in the process of reconciliation. Biblical Counselling became a means by which the church and its leadership might try to retain control over a church which was breaking up due to the aggravated sin of some members.

But many victims of such crime became upset, when they saw the church accept the repentance and renouncing of the sin of the perpetrator. They couldn’t understand why the church was refusing to hand it over to the police, preferring to deal with it within the church body. The victims felt that the church had sided with the perpetrator at their expense, all for the sake of keeping the church “clean” from scandal. The sinner might have been “rescued” for God, but the victims were expected to deny justice to their family because it might harm the eternal security of the sinner. And it was best to keep it out of the hands of secular authorities too. The victim all too often then became the criminal, being treated as such by many churches. The anti-“whistle-blower” mentality is strong in churches that strive for success rather than the gospel. The catch-cry was the fight to maintain the unity of the church, even if it meant creating division to achieve such unity! Divisive elements could easily be persuaded to leave.

Because ongoing justification was dependent upon ongoing sanctification, and because it is to be expected that all will commit regular sin (even church members in good standing), then Biblical Counselling requires that all should be ready and willing to regularly confess sin, repenting and renouncing it. In this way all sin would hopefully be brought out into the open (and dealt with). If a Biblical Counsellor perceived (rightly or wrongly!) a problem with someone, he or she could report such confession to the church for possible disciplinary action. Such disciplinary action could lead to the one confessing a sin to be approached by the church, often in the public forum of a church members’ meeting or church service, in order to challenge that alleged “sinner’ with his or her sin, and a requirement that they deal with it. (Even if they had actually been the victim!)

Public naming and shaming is a part of the discipline of many new calvinist churches. Many also have discipline agreement documents that prospective members are required to sign before they may be permitted to join. Biblical Counselling can be used as a means of control of church members, especially in new calvinist churches such as C J Mahaney’s Sovereign Grace Ministries (which has also been extensively exposed as having child abuse problems within its ranks with alleged evidences of cover-up by church leaders – see https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/02/14/the-sex-abuse-scandal-that-devastated-a-suburban-megachurch-sovereign-grace-ministries/).
The confidentiality of the confessional has also been used to attempt control in new calvinist churches – see https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2015/09/19/has-god-foreordained-an-alleged-child-sex-abuse-cover-up-in-sovereign-grace-ministrieschurches-is-that-why-cj-mahaney-is-so-sacred/ to see how C J Mahaney of Sovereign Grace Ministries tried to blackmail one of his members.

It is good that a church should be able to counsel its members and good also that such counselling be Biblical. However, counsellors accredited with Biblical Counselling Australia (as most accredited church counsellors in Australia are today) are neither Biblical, nor good counsellors. And if you feel you have the need of a Biblical Counsellor, be very careful what you say, for what you say may be taken down as evidence and used against you. (Except that they don’t have to read you your “rights” before they start the interrogation!)

In conclusion, when looking for a suitable church to attend, try to avoid those who advertise Biblical Counselling, as it is all too often a euphemism for overly strict discipline and control of its members. And don’t sign a discipline agreement before joining a church. Church discipline is certainly a necessary part of a Christian’s life; all of us must be accountable to someone somewhere for our actions. But when counselling is used for the purposes of establishing authority, rather than helping the person, it becomes a controlling whip in the hands of the church. Control without compassion is a dictatorship.

See also

Biblical Counselling & new calvinism today

The New Calvinism Gospel blog

The Gospel of new Calvinism

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The New Calvinism Gospel

14/04/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

The New Calvinism Gospel

New calvinism is different from traditional calvinism, and, in particular, that includes its gospel. New calvinism is becoming, or is already, the dominant viewpoint of calvinism today. But few people realise that it was founded upon a fusion of Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) and calvinist beliefs, and that a Seventh Day Adventist with calvinist leanings named Robert Brinsmead was largely responsible for kick-starting what we call new calvinism today.

The Australian Forum was a group of people (led by Brinsmead) which, in 1970 commenced to spread its reformed or calvinist SDA views. These views were taken up by Westminster Theological Seminary (USA). The views of the Australian Forum were to merge with the traditional calvinist views of Westminster Seminary to lead, firstly to Sonship Theology, which was then adapted and relabelled as new calvinism.

This document is part of a larger document which covers both the gospel of new calvinism and Biblical Counselling (which was required for the control of the far looser framework of new calvinism). The complete document may be read here: The Gospel of New Calvinism. Also see Biblical Counselling as an Aid to Control the Church.

So what is new calvinism? Basically it’s a fusion of traditional calvinism and Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) beliefs.
Let’s look at two scenarios.
(a) Scenario 1: You are a traditional calvinist.
This gospel is based upon the unconditional election by God of a special group of people who will go to heaven. If God didn’t choose you to go to heaven, then you will go to hell. You don’t make a decision to be saved; God will make that decision. You don’t choose God; he chooses you. If you are one of God’s elect (that is, he chooses you to go to heaven), then you will demonstrate this by living a puritan lifestyle, showing by your works that you are one of God’s elect. In fact, if you are one of God’s elect, God will ensure that you will stay good until the end; you cannot lose your salvation. Of course, if you are not one of God’s elect (that is, you are the non-elect), then you will be incapable of any sustained works of righteousness; you will not be enabled to persevere until the end.

The advantage of the calvinist gospel is clearly only on the side of those who are chosen by God; the non-elect have no real advantages at all, other than being allowed to live for a few years before being tormented in hell for eternity! However, if you are one of God’s chosen ones, then you cannot miss out on heaven ever. God has said you will go to heaven, and to heaven you will go! The gospel of the traditional calvinist is out of your hands. You will either believe or not believe depending upon what God has chosen for you to believe. Nothing anyone can do can possibly alter this.

(b) Scenario 2: You are a traditional Seventh Day Adventist (SDA).
Your gospel is based upon the continued upholding of the works of the Law of God. Despite the SDA claims that they are saved by Christ at the cross, they also teach that you could lose your salvation if you break the Laws of God. Obedience to the Law of God may overrule all other beliefs. So, while this gospel on the surface appears to be Christian (and some may actually believe so), ultimately it is obedience to the Laws of God which will define them as either saved or not saved. The SDA must obey the works of the Law of God until the end. If he breaks a law, then he must repent, confess and get himself back on track for salvation. If he refuses to repent, confess and get right with God, then he may be considered to have lost his salvation (or to have never been saved in the first place). If he were truly saved, he would do those works of the Law of God, and get right with God when he breaks them. In many ways their gospel is very much like the calvinist gospel: if you persevere to the end, you will be saved.

In SDA theology, if you fall into sin, it is your responsibility to help yourself get back on track and righteous for God. It is your responsibility to make sure you repent, confess and renounce your sin in order to regain righteousness with God. You have to reapply the gospel of reconciliation to your life each time you fall, in order to be sanctified and thus justified in the sight of God. The SDA gospel requires ongoing justification based upon ongoing sanctification in order to be saved at the end.

The advantage of the SDA gospel, however, is that you are permitted to decide to clean up your act; this is not dependent upon God deciding whether you are one of his elect or not. If you repent and confess your sin, then you may begin the process of healing and ultimate acceptance by God (that is, justified).

In calvinist theology, if you fall into sin, God will cause you to be made right again, although if you were truly one of God’s elect, the calvinist God would prevent you from significant sin anyway. The downside of the calvinist gospel is that it only covers your spiritual health needs if you are one of God’s elect. If you are not one of God’s elect, then you will get no help at all. The decision about getting better or not is not in your hands; it’s not your responsibility. However, if you are one of God’s elect, then your healing process will be total and complete; you need do nothing; indeed, you can do nothing for yourself!

So why not merge the best of these two gospels! If the calvinist God has chosen you, then you will be looked after totally until the end. Of course, you must be chosen in order to get this, and live a puritan lifestyle as a consequence. However, if you fall away seriously (that is, stop living a puritan lifestyle), then you may no longer be considered as one of the elect, even if you should repent and confess your sin. You may be deemed to have received a temporary faith as defined by Calvin, never receiving true saving faith in the first place (Calvin’s Institutes Bk 3 Ch 2 Section 11). The calvinist gospel generally doesn’t permit coming back from serious sin.

But SDAs, while not having such an ironclad assurance of salvation at the end, are allowed to choose to repent and confess their sin, after which, if they renounced that sin completely, they are then justified and consequently permitted to resume their relationship with their God. There is no guaranteed salvation at the end, but they are allowed to get back on the horse after they have fallen off! Falling from grace doesn’t necessarily end their hope of salvation, which it might for the traditional calvinist.

So imagine having a syncretistic belief that allows the calvinist guarantee of salvation at the end, and the SDA guarantee that if they fall they could get back into the running again. Enter the new calvinist belief! Such a belief still guarantees assurance of salvation at the end, plus the option of being able to get back into the running if the wheels fall off the cart during the race. All the calvinist has to do is to add on the option of being able to repent, confess and renounce their sins (no matter how large or serious), and they have a winner indeed! Thus the new calvinist also takes on board the SDA teaching that an ongoing justification is dependent upon an ongoing sanctification. No longer are you justified once at the new birth; now you have an ongoing justification (by God, of course) based upon an ongoing sanctification.

The new calvinist could sin and their God would still accept them. This was so much more appealing to the world today which wanted to have both their sin and God’s salvation! No longer did they have to, as calvinists, kick out those who sinned badly, declaring them to be not of God’s elect. No, that was a thing of the past. Now, if a person could be convinced to repent, confess and renounce his sin, then he could remain in the church, for God would only have granted repentance to his elect. Losing members due to sinful behaviour had been a problem in the past. Not only did it lower the numbers in church (and, very importantly, the offering!) but it prevented the scandal of having sinful church members being the cause of others not coming to their church. But now even the sinners could stay (and play and pay!).

This was to form the basis of Sonship Theology, which taught that, as God’s children, Christians could sin, knowing that if they were of God’s elect, their God would always provide sufficient grace to reinstall them into fellowship. That is, if they were God’s elect, then they couldn’t do anything that would lose them their assurance of salvation. If you can never be lost, then no sin you commit can ever change that fact. And Sonship Theology became new calvinism.

The new calvinist gospel was no longer strictly based upon the unconditional election, even though they claimed that this calvinist doctrine was still true. In reality the new calvinist gospel was now based upon your ability to repent, confess and renounce your sin. A bad fall from grace wasn’t the end of your salvation now. You could choose to repent and regain that “grace” from which you had fallen. Effectively the gospel had changed from simply being one of God’s unconditional elect, to the choosing by God’s people to repent again.

New calvinism aggressively pushes its beliefs, usually to those who are already in a church situation. (They rarely evangelise the truly lost!) They believe that they have a mandate to bring their brand of the truth to all the church, in particularly to the fundamentalists. Al Mohler would like to remind us that new calvinism is the only good religion on the block!
Al Mohler: ‘Where else are they going to go? If you’re a theological minded, deeply convictional young evangelical, if you’re committed to the gospel and want to see the nations rejoice in the name of Christ, if you want to see gospel built and structured committed churches, your theology is just going end up basically being Reformed, basically something like this new Calvinism, or you’re going to have to invent some label for what is basically going to be the same thing, there just are not options out there,
(https://www.newcalvinist.com/albert-mohler-and-hip-hop-culture/)

New calvinists will claim that their “truth” is best, their God is more sovereign, they are more Scriptural, and that calvinism is the gospel, yet they will not come out into the open with such beliefs unless they believe they have sufficient support among their church group to do so. If indeed their beliefs are as good as they claim, then why are they rarely up front and open with their beliefs except to those who have some sympathies already. They will often work with small groups in a church, or disciple individuals, winning them over, only announcing to the general church membership where they stand when they consider they have sufficient support to do so.

When a church gets a new pastor, they should find out about the real beliefs of that man before they appoint him to be their pastor. Far too many calvinist pastors (especially new calvinist pastors) do not reveal their calvinist or new calvinist beliefs until after they have established themselves in their position. But, once they get sufficient support from the members, they will then aggressively seek to win over the rest, or accept the resignations of those who will not bow down to new calvinist beliefs. As long as they get their church, they are usually happy to see the troublemakers leave (that is, those who disagree with them).

New calvinism is a false religion designed to keep the church masses happy (if deluded). It has determined what the world likes today, and has offered it to the fundamentalist religious world. Many genuine Christians have been taken in by its rhetoric and false promises (which are delivered so confidently and so forcefully that it is hard to refute without proper facts at their disposal). It is what the people have asked for, and so they are satisfied with its performance. But new calvinism is a cult of satan and only by testing all things (as we are commanded in 1 Thessalonians 5:21) may Christians truly determine the dangers that lie within. Be vigilant! Be aware! Or else be enslaved!

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Local Fundamentalist Pastor Heresy

21/03/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Local Fundamentalist Pastor Heresy

The day and age in which we live is rapidly defining itself as the Laodicean age (Revelation 3:14-22). The Laodicean church was a lukewarm church, neither hot (representing fervour for God) nor cold (fervour for the world). God says that He would prefer it to at least come out in the open and proclaim just exactly what it believed in, either for or against Him. But the Laodicean church couldn’t commit itself one way or the other. No doubt, like many churches today, it regularly taught one thing and practised another, or held back on any controversial teachings because they might cause conflict, rock the boat so to speak. Getting along with your fellow Christian has become so important today that even truth must be sacrificed for the sake of keeping the peace! Community overrules truth! People these days are so afraid to rock the church boat that they will put up with borderline (or worse) heresy rather than create a disagreement with another “Christian”. Of course, that’s when they actually know that what’s being taught is not the complete truth of the Bible. However, all too often they trust their pastors and teachers so much that they are seemingly reluctant to test everything they say against the truth of the Bible. And ignorance is no excuse! “What you don’t know can’t hurt you” appears to be the catch-cry of so many “Christians” today. And they’re wrong!

It is essential that each genuine Christian ascertain the truth of what he believes directly from the Bible. To this end he is encouraged to make use of the experienced teaching of pastors and mature Christians, whether personally or via media such as books and DVDs, etc. However, never should Christians accept any teachings without also assessing them against the truth of the Bible.
Acts 17:10-12 – 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming [thither] went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

So, if you desire to see many around you believe in the truth of the Scriptures, then you must search the Scriptures daily to see if those things that you have been taught are actually true! By doing so, you may then declare yourself to be a fundamentalist believer, one who believes in the fundamental doctrines of the Bible, rightly dividing the word of truth as taught by the Bible.

But, many alleged fundamentalists are only that because they claim to be such. For instance, John MacArthur is often proclaimed to be a respected theologian and Bible teacher, therefore a fundamentalist. He has produced many books and other documents including a book called Fundamentals of the Faith which may be found in many church libraries and in the homes of many church-goers. However, MacArthur is far from being fundamentalist; in fact, his doctrines include many serious unacceptable heresies. Being a calvinist, MacArthur teaches a false gospel that is in conflict with the gospel of the Bible. Read MacArthur Teaches Works Salvation, The False Calvinist Gospel blog, The False Calvinist Gospel, Calvinism is the Non-gospel and Calvinists Born Again before they are Saved.

MacArthur claims to be a Christian, yet he has no testimony of when he was saved at the cross of Jesus. He appears to claim that he has never been lost!
PHIL: How old were you when you first recall sensing your need for Christ?
JOHN: Well I always believed the gospel. I don’t ever…I don’t ever remember a time when I didn’t believe the gospel.
(MacArthur’s Life Testimony Code 80-33)
Apparently MacArthur has been so good all his life that he’s never needed to be saved!

He claims his ministry to be the consequence of a godly heritage, yet his immediate ancestors were apparently more involved with freemasonry than Christianity. He claims that his spiritual fruit and harvest has come through from his great grandfather who was a Presbyterian minister and a Freemason Grand Master, both at the same time! Read Is MacArthur a Freemason?

MacArthur also teaches as if he is an expert scholar of Greek and Hebrew, yet he gets even basic interpretations wrong. Read MacArthur is Wrong where MacArthur misquotes a Greek rule to “prove” from Acts 2:23 that God’s foreknowledge is the same as God’s predetermined counsel. In MacArthur is Wrong – Again! MacArthur teaches that, because of Hebrew parallelism, “many” cannot mean the same as “many” if they are both used in the same verse (Romans 5:15), and that “all” cannot mean the same as “all” if they are both used in the same verse (Romans 5:18). Is MacArthur incompetent or is he a liar? Each of these documents has extra links to other calvinist documents for further reading.

Many churches worldwide have taken MacArthur’s false doctrines on board, demonstrating a distinct lack of discernment in doing so. A local church, Grace West Bible Church, is a clone or franchise of MacArthur’s church, having almost identical doctrinal statements. Thus, it claims to teach the same false doctrines and heresies as MacArthur’s church, including the same false gospel. This false calvinist gospel states clearly that God has from the beginning unconditionally chosen a small group of people (the elect) to go to heaven, while also choosing the vast majority of the world’s population to go to hell. “Unconditionally” means that no-one has any say in the matter, whether they are going to heaven or (most likely) hell. For all people, it is your destiny to be chosen by God to go to either heaven or to hell! Read The Heresy of Calvinism Refuted Part 1.

In fact, MacArthur, being a calvinist, has to teach that Jesus only died for the sins of God’s chosen elect. The calvinist Jesus didn’t die for any of the sins of the vast majority of the world. Even if one of those not chosen by God wanted to be saved, the calvinist God would still reject them, because their sins were never paid for on the cross. They literally can’t be saved, ever! (Read The Big Lie of the Calvinists.) MacArthur says that it was never the intention of God to save everyone anyway! Read The False Calvinist Gospel blog and The False Calvinist Gospel. Also read The Calvinist God created most of Mankind for Torment in Hell and MacArthur Teaches Works Salvation.

Of course, God of the Bible does choose an elect group of people, the election. However, it is dependent upon Him knowing by foreknowledge who will call upon the name of the Lord to be saved (which is the true gospel of the Bible). (Which is why the calvinists cannot accept that God’s foreknowledge means His perfect knowledge of the future!)

If you want to get saved, don’t go to Grace West, for if their God doesn’t want to save you, then according to them you will remain lost, even if you wanted to be saved! In fact, they have to teach that if you prayed a prayer asking God to save you, then you are still lost, unless the calvinist God has already previously decided that he wants you on that list of elect, regardless of your goodness or evil! If you are not on that list, no prayer can, or ever will, save you! They are forced to teach that you do not choose God; God chooses you! You have no say in the matter at all! If God has chosen you to be saved, then you will be saved; nothing you can do will ever prevent you from being saved. And, if God has chosen you for hell, then you will go to hell! This is truly the Non-gospel of the calvinist. Read Calvinism is the Non-gospel.

Another local church, Living Springs Baptist, while pretending to be a fundamentalist church, claims on its website to be a like-minded sister church to Grace West Bible Church. Therefore Living Springs has, by their own admission, a false doctrine similar to Grace West, and thus they likewise teach the same heresies, including the same false gospel. Otherwise they could not be a like-minded sister church! Living Springs has used materials by calvinist Todd Friel (as advertised on the Living Springs Baptist website under Ministries/Small Groups), who teaches that if you prayed the sinners’ prayer, you are not saved and you are still going to hell. No Christian ministry should be teaching their members such heresy as Todd Friel teaches. Read The Heresy of Todd Friel.

But wait! That’s not all! Living Springs also apparently considers Gary Thomas to be a good Christian teacher. According to their website, they have been studying Thomas’ book “Sacred Marriage” which claims to be Christian. However, it quotes favourably from “Conjugal Spirituality” (by Mary Anne Oliver), a book that teaches how to use kundalini yoga and tantric sex, both involving demonism. Thomas also quotes from Friedrich Nietzsche (who teaches nihilism, and that God is dead). Gary Thomas elsewhere also advocates heresies such as contemplative and centering prayer (which is little more than crying out endless mantras to demons, a very un-Christian practice). Read Gary Thomas – New Age Teacher.

In both of these churches, it is the pastor who ultimately must take responsibility for the doctrines taught in his church. Pastors have an awesome responsibility to serve God by shepherding His flocks. This demands that they be called by God to do so, or else they will certainly fail. And if such pastors cause such heresy to be taught to their church members, then those pastors are guilty of offending those little ones of God as per Matthew 18:6 – But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
That is, it is better to not be a pastor than to pretend to be a pastor called by God and offend His little ones by teaching such heresies.

Yet another pastor of a supposedly fundamentalist church in our area has allegedly chosen to use Paul Tripp study materials. If this is true, he has shown a distinct lack of discernment. Paul Tripp, a calvinist, focuses upon what he would call Biblical Counselling, yet much of his teachings are far from Biblical. He teaches that when we become Christians we are infected with a terrible disease called identity amnesia. What’s worse, we don’t even know we have this disease until a friendly neighbourhood “Biblical Counsellor” comes along to tell us all about it and to be “healed” by this counsellor. It sounds far too much like snake-oil salesmanship to me! That is, you need to sell your snake-oil medicine, but no-one wants it, so you persuade them that they are actually sick and have need of your snake-oil. Consequently they buy it, thinking they’re now going to be healed of a sickness which they most likely don’t have, never had, or doesn’t even exist at all! These so-called Biblical Counsellors of the Paul Tripp type create the problem that they then try to “cure” for you! This creation of a problem in order to solve it is called the Hegelian Dialectic. Read Paul Trip – Heretic or Tare?

This same church now advertises Biblical Counselling as one of its ministries, which is quite interesting considering that Paul Tripp material is used extensively by Biblical Counselling Australia (BCA) – see https://www.biblicalcounselling.org.au/training-in-biblical-counselling/ where workbooks and DVDs produced by Tim Lane and Paul Tripp are advertised as part of their “biblical counselling” training. The four directors of BCA (as noted on their website) have all done courses through CCEF (Christian Counseling & Education Foundation) which is closely affiliated with Westminster Theological Seminary (USA) which is (and has been for many years) a training and resource centre for calvinism and reformed theology. Much of today’s aggressive marketing of “New Calvinism” (embraced by such as Piper, MacArthur, Mohler, Keller) has been initiated at Westminster Theological Seminary, including what is widely known today as “Biblical Counselling” (although much of its teachings are far from Biblical!). Biblical Counselling was for many years known as nouthetic counselling which was originally developed by Prof Jay Adams of Westminster Seminary through the writing of his book “Competent to Counsel” in 1970. Nouthetic counselling was developed further into Biblical Counselling by David Powlison along with others such as Tim Lane and Paul Tripp. For further information, please read Biblical Counselling & new calvinism today.

If this local supposedly fundamentalist church is using BCA materials to support its Biblical Counselling ministry, then such a ministry is based upon the corrupt calvinist (reformed) teachings of Westminster Theological Seminary. Such a counselling ministry cannot be acceptable to the God of the Bible, for calvinism itself is a doctrine without an effective gospel for mankind’s sin. Although, if they have chosen to use Paul Tripp materials in the past, then they would probably see no problem with continuing to use Tripp’s heresies under the pretense of calling it “Biblical” Counselling. And the use of Paul Tripp (and related) materials can only lead a church into apostasy.

I am told that when this supposedly fundamentalist pastor was challenged (in the past) regarding the use of Paul Tripp materials, he allegedly said that he took the material on the recommendation of another church pastor. This might be so, perhaps, although it does seem possible that it could have arisen from studies in Biblical Counselling. Of course, a genuine pastor should be very wary of following up the recommendations of another without firstly testing all things. He has a responsibility to shepherd his flock, which will always overrule making agreements with pastors of other churches!

However, the truth remains: that if he has taught heresy through the use of Tripp’s materials, whether or not on the advice of another pastor, he has offended those little ones of God. And, could the alleged “another pastor” be a friendly neighbourhood calvinist pastor who cannot see any conflict between his own calvinist heresies and Tripp’s false teaching, consequently recommending Paul Tripp to other local pastors? In any case, any pastor who cannot discern danger (such as Tripp’s heresies) for his church members should reassess his calling to be pastor. And God will hold all pastors responsible for their leadership of their flocks, and not for how well they get along with other pastors of other churches! For information on Paul Tripp, read Paul Tripp – Heretic or Tare? and The Gospel of New Calvinism.

And finally, it’s ironic that just a generation ago, fundamentalists were quite rightly condemnatory of the heresies taught via the Revised Standard Version of the Bible (RSV), yet today they use a revised version of the RSV in many supposedly fundamentalist churches. And what is that version called? Well, just to throw fundamentalists off the scent, they have renamed this version the English Standard Version (ESV).
The English Standard Version (ESV) is an English translation of the Christian Bible. It is a revision of the 1971 edition of the Revised Standard Version (Wikipedia)
With this name change and the backing of the calvinists (who had a significant input into the ESV), that which was rightly despised has now become highly desirable! Funny how views can change if you’re not doing your homework properly, isn’t it!

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Calvinism is the non-gospel.

27/02/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Calvinism is the Non-gospel!

(Unless otherwise stated, all quotes are from The doctrine of God’s effectual call – MacArthur.)

Calvinists love claiming that calvinism is the gospel. They also love to make the preposterous claim that they preach the gospel to the ends of the earth, or similar outlandish statements.
MacArthur says: We plead with sinners. We take the gospel to the ends of the earth and we leave the secret things to the Lord but we follow the responsibility to call sinners to faith, knowing that those who come will have had a full atonement provided for them.
(The Doctrine of Actual Atonement Pt 1)

But which gospel is MacArthur talking about here? The general outward invitation of the gospel which he appears to define as ineffectual, or the effectual call that can only save those whom the calvinist God chose to go to heaven (the elect). See the following:
We’re not talking about what we could call the general call of the gospel, the general outward invitation of the gospel.  We’re talking about something that comes only to the predestined and results in justification.  And that is why it is called an efficacious call, or an effectual call.
Thus, according to MacArthur, the call of the gospel to the world in general is “the general outward invitation of the gospel” as contrasted with the effectual call which he claims is efficacious. From such statements one can only assume that MacArthur’s gospel is not effectual because it is a general call. So, what would the calvinist call the effectual call? Clearly not the gospel, as it is obviously ineffectual.

Yet MacArthur also appears to be saying that the gospel is what the sinner responds to.
When the gospel comes, the sinner is so eager to respond. ……..
You were chosen to be sanctified by the Spirit, you were chosen to put faith in the truth, and He called you to that through our gospel in order that you might gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So now the gospel is that which God uses to call you? Is this the general, outward, apparently ineffectual, invitation of the gospel, or is it now the effectual gospel call to the elect? Does this now mean that there are two types of calvinist gospel: the general outward call to all people, and the effectual call only to the elect? Do they preach a general gospel to the public in general and an effectual gospel to just the elect? That raises a lot of questions, especially how the calvinist is to know who gets what, so he may avoid preaching the wrong gospel to the wrong people! Maybe the calvinist God chooses whether it is general or specific? But the same point still applies: that somehow it still becomes a general outward call or a specific effectual call. But then the calvinists claim that the same gospel is preached to all and it is God who determines that only the elect should answer the specific effectual call. Obviously the calvinist God has altered that same gospel for the non-elect by changing it from a specific effectual call to a general outward call. It seems that the non-elect do not deserve to have an effectual gospel call!

Clearly it is not the sinner who determines who answers the call, whatever type it may be, because the calvinist God refuses to permit (by his sovereign will) any person to make any decision of any kind that could look like that person responding to the gospel against the calvinist God’s will. The calvinist God has chosen from the beginning of time just who will be saved and go to heaven, and who will not be saved and therefore go to hell. If you are on the list to go to heaven, then the calvinist God has decided that you will hear the gospel and you will respond; you cannot avoid being saved and spending eternity in heaven. If you are not on that list, you will not hear the effectual gospel call and respond; you will not be saved; you will not be going to heaven; you will be going to hell for eternity. The calvinist God has already decided this for all mankind from the beginning, and no-one may be removed nor added to the list of people heading to heaven (or hell!). Wherever you are going, it is your destiny, for all eternity! No-one may choose; only the calvinist God may choose people for heaven (and hell!). This is basic calvinist doctrine: man has no free will to choose his eternal future, either heaven or hell.

Yet MacArthur says: No one was ever saved against their will.  No one was ever brought into the Kingdom kicking and screaming, protesting.  No one was ever saved who was dragged against the grain of having dug their heels in.  That is not what Scripture teaches.  No one has ever been saved against his will.  No one ever will be.  Everybody who is saved is saved because they will to believe the gospel.  In fact, they will with all their heart and soul to believe the gospel.  No one is ever saved without being willing.  It is an act of the will to believe. 

So it is an act of the will to believe? Why, then, does MacArthur also teach (in that same document) that no sinner has the capacity to be willing.
No sinner has the capacity to be willing. …..
This is what we mean by “total depravity,” the utter inability of the sinner to be willing. 

MacArthur also teaches that the calvinist God will make those unwilling sinners willing (assuming they have been “chosen” for heaven!).
No sinner is ever going to be willing until the power of God comes upon that sinner.  There’s nothing in the sinner to make him willing.  There’s nothing in the sinner, even under the best of the preacher’s effort.  It is only when the power of God makes him willing that he becomes willing. …..
But it’s not that the sinner comes kicking, and screaming, and protesting, and trying to resist, because when the summons comes, the sinner is made willing. …..
The gospel alone is what God uses to awaken the sinner and He makes him willing, whereas he has never been willing before.

MacArthur uses some rather colourful and imaginative language to describe how God changes Paul from unwilling to willing on the road to Damascus.
He’s a good one to look at for this kind of call because when the call of God came on the life of the apostle Paul, it was a sovereign, divine, gracious, and irresistible summons.  He was slammed in to the dirt on the road to Damascus with nothing to do but respond.  He is called as an apostle. 
and
Paul understood that he was just grabbed by the neck by God and awakened to the glory of Christ and saved and made an apostle.
Well, was Paul brought into the kingdom by an act of his belief, or was he dragged – sorry – slammed into the dirt, grabbed by the neck and made an apostle?

This MacArthur is apparently a very disorganised thinker, such that he doesn’t seem to be able to put ideas together consistently so that they actually lead to a single coherent conclusion. MacArthur seems to be either incompetent or else deliberately trying to deceive the elect. Or, probably, both! The gospel he claims to take to the ends of the earth is both general and ineffectual, and specific and effectual. Those elect people who hear the gospel are not able to be willing to respond, yet the calvinist God makes them willing, all without opposing man’s will which was not able to be willing without being opposed in this way!?? Paul wasn’t dragged in kicking and screaming, yet he is grabbed by the neck and slammed into the dirt. Sounds like a lot of rather forceful persuasion to me! (Unless it was an act of Paul’s will that he be grabbed by the neck and slammed into the dirt?)

The fact of the matter is that the gospel (of the Bible) is totally irrelevant to the calvinist God. He has already decided who will be saved, and he will apparently use the gospel to “save” them after they have already been called and made (against their wills?) to be willing to respond. Thus, to the calvinist, it is not the gospel which “saves” anyone, but the decision of the calvinist God from the start of time as to who would be going to heaven, and who wouldn’t be fortunate enough to go there. The same gospel, then, is general and ineffectual to the vast majority of the lost non-elect, while at the same time being specific and effectual to just those of the elect (the chosen of the calvinist God). Even then, the calvinist God must make them willing to respond before they are able to respond. Thus such a gospel becomes merely a consequence of having already been called to respond; and only those who are on that list of elect going to heaven will be called in order to be made willing to respond to that gospel.

Such a gospel becomes absolutely irrelevant, not being able to save anyone who wasn’t already on the list to be saved in the first place! Therefore, the gospel is only effectual once the calvinist God has decided that the sinner is to be made willing to respond. And this is the gospel that Paul taught was “the power of God unto salvation” (Romans 1:16)?! This calvinist gospel should be called the “non-power of the calvinist God unto non-salvation”!

The calvinist gospel is in reality a non-gospel, only able to save those who can never be lost (the elect, or chosen of God), and unable to save those who can never be saved (the non-elect, or the non-chosen of the calvinist God). You can only respond to the gospel after the calvinist God has made you willing to respond, as long as you have already been chosen for heaven. Of course, the Bible does teach that God chooses (elects) a group of people for salvation, but also that this choice is based upon man’s free will decision to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, a choice which is known by God from the beginning according to His foreknowledge of the future.

1 Peter 1:2a – Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father

This is called the election conditional upon God’s foreknowledge of man’s response to the gospel. However, calvinists refuse to accept that man is able to make such a decision, even after the light of the gospel of Christ has opened his eyes to the truth.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 – 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Calvinists call their version of the election an “unconditional election”, where the calvinist God chooses his elect without any regard to any condition relating in any way at all to the sinner, hence “unconditional”. However, if the hearing of the gospel is how the calvinist God calls his elect, then that hearing of the gospel must be in itself a condition of response to God’s call. And calvinists cannot teach that salvation is conditional in any way upon the hearing of the gospel, because this would then be a condition of the election and therefore such election could not be unconditional. Thus the calvinist doctrine of salvation has to be unrelated to the gospel of the Bible.

And MacArthur is claimed by so many to be a great teacher and theologian? His logic is greatly flawed and he openly contradicts himself in “The Doctrine of God’s effectual call”. If he were to debate this topic, he would fail to win any points for clear and logical presentation of information. Instead, my comment on his debate is that he has delivered a confused and irrational presentation, using contradictory and fragmented logic. But, this is the non-gospel of the calvinists!

For further reading, try these.

The false calvinist gospel

MacArthur teaches works salvation

The calvinist God created most of mankind for torment in hell

The big lie of the calvinists

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John 6:44 – Does it really prove calvinist teachings?

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John 6:44 – Does it really prove calvinist teachings?

Calvinists are quite fond of taking hold of a verse (usually in isolation) and using it, often aggressively, to “prove” that they are right and therefore all others are wrong. They will teach in such a way that makes it difficult at times to oppose them without openly accusing them of heresy. If you have some respect for the person who is pushing his calvinist views largely to the exclusion of other views, it can be uncomfortable to argue without feeling as if you might be offending that person. And many good Christians are reluctant to think that they might have offended another “Christian”.

All too often, calvinists will imply, suggest or even openly state, that to not believe as they do defines the other person as a somewhat lesser Christian, or even, perhaps, lacking spirituality because they are bereft of God’s spiritual guidance. If you disagree, then they will quote their “experts” in books and articles written by calvinist “teachers”, many of whom may be well-known, if not necessarily correct. It can be quite overwhelming, even daunting, for a Christian to be inundated with such a flood of opposing teachings. All too often those Christians will tend to agree in order to avoid an argument, and, if they “agree” as such for long enough, they may even start believing what the calvinists are saying. It’s a mild (or not so mild) form of brainwashing.

(Jehovah’s Witnesses use a similar form of aggressive argument: they are taught to answer most opposition by using suitably impressive references including Bible verses that, in isolation, appear to support their views. Their Watchtower Society constantly trains them for such debate.)

John 6:44 is one of the classic calvinist verses that is used to “prove” that (a) those who come to Christ are the only ones called by the Father, and (b) therefore man has no free will to choose to be saved.

John 6:44 – No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The calvinist will interpret this verse to say that if the Father draws a person, then that person will come to Christ. They teach that if a person doesn’t come to Christ, then the Father did not draw him. Therefore, says the calvinist, this demonstrates that no-one has the free will to choose for himself, for this verse “proves” that God chooses for all people. (That is, unconditional election or choosing by God alone, rather than an election or choosing conditional upon God’s foreknowledge of future decisions to be saved.)

And, in fact, if this calvinist teaching is presented aggressively, it can appear to be correct, unless you test all things. It is not always easy to oppose views when they are presented so forcefully, even when you feel that such views might not be consistent with what you believed concerning the Bible. When opposing such forceful and aggressive teachings, it is essential to know exactly what you believe and why.

For instance, MacArthur’s church (Grace Community Bible Church, California) states “All whom the Father calls to Himself will come in faith and all who come in faith the Father will receive.” (John 6:44 is one of their supporting verses.) That is, everyone who is called by the Father will come in faith and be received. If you are called, you will come; therefore, if you do not come, you were not called. To the unthinking Christian, this interpretation of John 6:44 can appear correct. But such teaching is actually false. That is not what John 6:44 is saying at all! All it is saying is that every person who comes must have been called by the Father, yet it doesn’t say that every person who is called by the Father must come.

In Jesus’ day, to refuse a gift or invitation was to offend the one who offered it. Even if you didn’t want the gift or invitation, you would usually accept unless you desired to offend the one who offered it. In the parable of the wedding feast (Matthew 22:1-14) many are called but these refuse the invitation, some violently. So, the king punishes them and then calls others to the feast. The passage ends with “For many are called, but few [are] chosen.” (Matthew 22:14) Being invited (or called) to a wedding feast was an important event not to be treated lightly. But you could still refuse that invitation!

You couldn’t attend a wedding feast unless you had an invitation, a calling to be there. (Matthew 22:3 says “bidden” which means to be called or invited by name.) No-one might come unless they had been personally invited by the father of the groom. But getting an invitation did not mean you had to go; you were greatly obligated to go, but you could still refuse the invitation.

Now look at John 6:44 again: No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: No man can come to Christ except the Father draw him. But, the calvinists say, the word “draw” means to drag or force. Yes, in many cases it actually means that. But what about John 12:32 where Jesus says “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.” That is the same word “draw” used here. In order for calvinists to explain this, they are forced to teach that “all” does not mean “all” but perhaps “all the elect” or similar. The word “draw” can mean to use debate to persuade someone, that is, to draw someone to your point of view, or to draw their attention to something.

Take another look at John 6:44 – No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Where does it say that a person cannot refuse or resist the drawing of the Father. The calvinist then says that the grace of God is irresistible and cannot be refused. (This is one of their basic calvinist doctrines.) But that assumes man has no free will to be able to choose to resist. It assumes that God forces the person to come, and that person cannot resist. But does this verse teach such or is it an assumption based upon calvinist heresy?

Paul taught that man could indeed resist what God has ordained.
Romans 13:2 – Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[ordinance = a law set forth by a governmental authority; Merriam Webster says that an ordinance is something ordained by fate or a deity (such as God).]

And Stephen, sitting in the council of the religious leaders, said to them:
Acts 7:51 – Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.
Thus it is scriptural to teach that man has a free will to accept or resist God. Of course, the calvinists then have to teach that God foreordained their acceptance or resistance of Him, because it cannot be by their free will! (And they do teach such!)

So what John 6:44 is really saying is that you cannot come to Christ unless the Father has drawn you. It cannot deny that all have been drawn to Christ (see John 12:32) with many people consequently resisting that drawing.
All who come must have been drawn, but it cannot equate to all that are drawn must come. That’s backward logic, like saying that because a dog is an animal with four legs, then all animals with four legs must be dogs.

John 6:44 does not deny free will to mankind, especially noting that free will to choose between good and evil, between God and the world, is taught consistently throughout the Bible. Therefore, in order for calvinists to demonstrate that John 6:44 “proves” their definition of the election, they must also demonstrate that free will of mankind is consistently denied throughout the Bible. This they cannot do. Only without the existence of free will can calvinists teach that all whom the Father calls must come in faith! Their teachings are based upon false premises and are only as truthful as the lies upon which they are based.

For further reading on the subject of John 6:44, go to John 6:44.

As a postscript, here’s some more questions for calvinists:

1/. Why did Jesus say to His disciples further down, in John 6:72, “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?” where “chosen” is the verb form of the adjective form used in 1 Peter 1:2 – Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
Why did Jesus choose Judas when He knew Judas would serve satan?

2/. Why did Jesus say to all His disciples in John 15:16, “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit” when Judas was still one of that group? Judas has been chosen, ordained, to bring forth fruit, yet he doesn’t.

3/. Why does Jesus say in John 6:39 say, “And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.”
Yet, after having chosen a devil (Judas) in John 6:72, and ordained that they should bear fruit (including Judas) in John 15:16, why does Jesus say of His disciples in John 17:12, “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
What? Jesus kept them all, none of them is lost, except Judas. If John 6:39 is teaching about all the elect of God being given to Jesus, that He should lose none of them, then how is Judas lost after he has been chosen as per John 6:72? Clearly, to be consistent, calvinists cannot interpret John 6:39 as they do.

4/. If “many are called but few are chosen” (Matthew 22:14), then why is the number chosen less than the number called. Why would God call a large number of people to the wedding feast, yet only choose some of them? How can this be explained without the free will of mankind? How does this compare with MacArthur’s church doctrinal statement “All whom the Father calls to Himself will come in faith and all who come in faith the Father will receive.” if in fact not all who are called will be chosen! (Of course, MacArthur says that Matthew 22:14 is “the general call of the gospel, the general outward invitation of the gospel” and that only the elect or chosen of God get the efficacious or effectual call to be saved. (https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/90-296/the-doctrine-of-gods-effectual-call)
Clearly, to the calvinist, the gospel is merely the general outward invitation which, according to MacArthur, will be ineffectual to save!

That brings us to question 5/. Why does God make a general call for all to be saved when calvinism teaches that Jesus only died for the sins of those who will receive the effectual call? Isn’t this deviousness at best from the calvinist God, to invite people when he has no intention of letting them in the door? Truly the calvinist God is no better than a politician who makes many promises but only delivers a few (if any)!

6/. Why does God say (in Jeremiah 32:35), “And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.” if He has ordained such decisions from the beginning (as calvinists would have us believe)? God says here that He did not command them to do such things, nor did it even come into His mind (mind; knowledge; thinking; reflection; memory; inclination; resolution; determination of will). How can Judah do such things unless it is by their own free-will rebellion against God?

If calvinism is true doctrine, then why are there so many anomalies in their “explanations”? And why, after having asked such questions many times, has not one calvinist been able to refute these statements from a Biblical viewpoint? In fact, my arguments have been read by many people, some of whom must surely be calvinist, yet not one has been able to refute satisfactorily from the Bible alone any of my challenges to them! Clearly they don’t believe in sola scriptura (the Bible alone)!

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Spiritual Warfare

05/02/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

We have just finished an in-depth study of the book of Ephesians and it ends with Chapter 6 where the Christian is to put on the full armour of God. Not pieces of it. The Panoply of armour, the whole suite. All of the armour. And then verse 18 says Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for the saints.

Paul writes in a way as to argue his point. He is a debater. Read Romans in its entirety and you will see he starts at the foundations and then goes through everything and sums it up at the end. Ephesians also starts by addressing the church (or a number of churches in the area). He writes to the congregations to tell them who we are in Christ (God has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, According as He hath chosen us in Him, in whom we have redemption through His blood, and so on).

He makes it clear we are saved by grace through faith and that this salvation by grace is the gift of God. It is not of ourselves, rather His grace. There is now no wall of partition between us (Paul is writing to Christians). He then goes into the church and how we are ministers, in the same body. He addresses the issue of sin in the church and edifying one another. Walking in love and not fellowshipping with darkness. The head of the church is Christ as is the husband the head of the wife and Christ desires to present the church spotless and without blemish.

In chapter 6, after talking about children obeying their father and mother and also servants obeying their masters, Paul goes into putting on the whole armour of God.

Here we can delve a little deeper. If we are to wear armour, then there must be a battle as why else would one need to wear armour? And the whole armour includes defensive and offensive pieces so therefore we must be defending and attacking. We need the armour so we can stand against the wiles (or trickery, deceit, craft) of the devil. A soldier doesn’t just stand and take blows. They also attack at the right time. Sword and footwear are also mentioned which are for moving or taking the offensive.

We wrestle against powers of darkness and not flesh and blood but why would the Christian (who is more than a conqueror through Christ) need to battle? Cant God do all that for us and we just live a peaceful life until we go to heaven?

If we were to believe Calvinist doctrine, would there be any need at all for Satan to attack Christians given they believe all who are elect will come anyhow (same question I ask about why they feel the need to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ if it makes no difference as they say man has no choice anyhow). But as I said, if there is armour then there must be a battle. And it says clearly who we wrestle with.

We would need to go right back to the garden of Eden to get a better understanding of how Satan and his demons work. Adam was perfect and knew no evil. But God put the tree in the middle of the garden which gave Adam a choice. As Adam was completely content, he had no desire to disobey God and eat of that tree. Adam had dominion over the earth. But when the serpent came to Eve, he was able to convince her that they were missing out on something. so that Eve would not be content. After she ate and knew what they had been missing out on (evil), she gave to Adam and he ate. Man had fallen.

What does Satan get out of this? Why try to make man fall? Satan had already fallen before this. I believe Satan was after some of God’s glory and as a result of trying to steal glory from God, he fell. We don’t know much about this event but I believe it was to do with God’s glory, which is 100% God’s and no one shall take His glory. God doesn’t share His glory. Only He is worthy of it.

Satan would have been jealous of man (made in God’s image) being given dominion over the earth. Satan was much more powerful, smarter, better in every way. Why should puny man have dominion? He couldn’t take dominion over the earth, man would have to give that dominion to him for him to have it and any glory that came with it.

The only way to get what he wanted was to make man fall. His plan was an act of deceit or trickery. To make man believe he was not content. That he could be more (strangely enough so many religions these days sell the same thing – that we can be gods).

God is just – it is one of His attributes. Holy, Loving, Merciful, Just are some attributes we can read about in the Bible. God plays by the rules which He set. Man chose to sin and therefore must now die and pay the penalty for it. Even though God loved us and did not desire that we sinned. Satan played his chess piece and possibly would have thought he had God at checkmate.

We know from the Bible that God sent His only begotten son Jesus Christ to die in our place which was a move Satan was not bargaining on. God is all knowing and knows the future, whereas Satan is not. Some examples of Satan playing or not playing by the rules are as follows:

1 In Job we read about Satan and God talking about Job and Satan is only able to play by the rules. He cannot harm Job outside God’s permission.

2 Genesis 6 we read about Nephilim (fallen angels) who were on the earth and bore children to the daughters of men. This was prior to the flood and we know by the time of Noah that Noah was blameless in  his generation. I believe there were no others left who weren’t contaminated by the nephilim who were possibly trying to destroy the DNA or makeup of mankind so that God could not possibly save them. I also believe that this was likely outside the rules and God therefore wiped all contaminated mankind and locked up certain demons until the end (we read about demons who will be released from the bottomless pit to torment mankind in the end times).

Noah was the ‘restart’ of the human race.

Jesus also paid the cost of our sins, but could God have just saved us anyhow? God is Holy, Just, etc and He abides by His own attributes and rules. Someone therefore had to pay to ‘redeem’ us. To buy us back as we had been sold into slavery through sin. We were slaves to the law which we could never abide by because we were of a sinful nature.

Satan can try and keep us in bondage so that mankind never hear about the death and resurrection of Jesus and the free gift (the gospel of Christ).

Why attack Christians? Well he can also make us ineffective. Everything time we give into sin, it comes with a cost. For example, we see a nice car or a boat which we want (Satan plays on making sure we are not content as a content person has no wants). To get that nice car or boat, we must complete a contract of purchase. We must pay for it. In the spiritual sense, what are we using to pay for that car?

Goes the other way too. Many verses talk about suffering and persecution being a part of being a good Christian and spreading the gospel (1 Peter 2:20-21, Roma:18, 2 Timothy 3:11-12, John 15:18-19, John 16.33, John 16:2, 2 Corinthians 11:23-28, 2 Timothy 3:12, 1 Corinthians 9:12). These verses are a bit of a kick in the teeth to those health wealth and prosperity gospel preachers. What is suffering for?

Could suffering be a payment or cost for answer to our prayers, people to be saved, fruit?

If Satan can get us to buy his wares (which in today’s Christian church seem to be comfort, social life, good house and good food and good job even as a pastor, minimal suffering, good school for your kids, gourmet food, a big church building, etc etc note we are all guilty of many of these things), then we won’t be buying the cost of being a Christian.

Now, the Bible doesn’t say sending your kids to a good school is wrong. Nor is gourmet food. But where’s your heart? Willing to lose it all for Christ? Willing to suffer any cost (ANY cost as Christ, Paul, Disciples, and many martyrs did) in order to gain a reward in heaven? Store your treasures in heaven where moths and rust don’t get it or store it down here?

When I look at many RICH ‘churches’ in the western world today, it is clear where their heart lies. In fact some of these rich church leaders who are deceiving the masses, even say that God wants them to have all these riches now as gold streets in heaven aren’t much use.

More to come.

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Does God ordain people to disobey Him?

05/02/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

As I read through the Bible I keep finding things that don’t add up with what Calvinists such as John MacArthur and John Piper, etc, try to tell us. That people have no free will to choose God, and that they are already ordained to either heaven or hell before they are born. And that foreknowledge doesn’t mean that God knows the future before it happens because He can see from outside of time and therefore knows who will choose to follow Him, but instead they say He knows who the Christians will be because he’s already written the script!!  My current reading is from Jeremiah 6 and I will put in relevant parts to show what I mean:

The LORD speaking through Jeremiah to the people of Israel and in particular those in Jerusalem. In the previous chapter also there are relevant verses quoted.

“O LORD, are not Your eyes on the truth? You have stricken them, but they have not grieved; You have consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction. They have made their faces harder than rock; they have refused to return. Therefore I said, ‘Surely these are poor. They are foolish; for they do not know the way of the LORD, the judgment of their God.'” – Jeremiah 5:3-4

“I will go to the great men and speak to them, for they have known the way of the LORD, the judgment of their God. But these have altogether broken the yoke and burst the bonds. ………………..Because their transgressions are many; their backslidings have increased.

How shall I pardon you for this? Your children have forsaken Me and sworn by those that are not gods when I had fed them to the full, then they committed adultery ………….every one neighed after his neighbour’s wife. Shall I not punish them for these things? says the LORD.” – Jeremiah 5:5-9

“And it will be when you say, ‘Why does the LORD our God do all these things to us?’ then you shall answer them, ‘Just as you have forsaken Me and served foreign gods in your land, so you shall serve aliens (strangers) in a land that is not yours’.

“But this people has a defiant and rebellious heart; they have revolted and departed. They do not say in their heart, ‘Let us now fear the LORD our God’. ………………….Your iniquities have turned these things away (the good seasons and harvests etc.), and your sins have withheld good things from you.” – Jeremiah 5:23-25

“Be instructed, O Jerusalem, lest My soul depart from you;” – Jeremiah 6:8

“To whom shall I speak and give warning, that they may hear? ……..the word of the LORD is a reproach to them; they have no delight in it. Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD…………..Everyone is given to covetousness; …………everyone deals falsely. ……Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall;”  – Jeremiah 6:10-15

“Thus says the LORD: ‘stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; then you will find rest for your souls’. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ Also, I set watchmen over you, saying, ‘Listen to the sound of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We will not listen.’ ………………..Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not heeded My words, nor My law, but rejected Me.” – Jeremiah 6:16-19

“The smelter refines in vain, for the wicked are not drawn off. People will call them rejected silver, because the LORD has rejected them”. – Jeremiah 6:29-30

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The true gospel – hear the word then believe

05/02/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

When Paul was writing Ephesians, he wrote to them as saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose (the word in the Greek is the word for elect – as in “elect by the foreknowledge of God”) us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestinated us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth – in Him, in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: ………………………………….and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe,” – Read all of Ephesians chapter 1

I think this chapter speaks for itself. That it is God’s purpose that Christians should be adopted as sons, that we should be faithful in Christ Jesus, and that we were saved by hearing and trusting in the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation, and believing and trusting in Christ as a result.

Bolded section above puts in order that we hear the word of truth (the gospel of our salvation), believe and trust and then sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. This is in line with many many passages which go through the same order for one to be saved. Not as per the Calvinist ‘gospel’ which says one is saved (or regenerated but same thing) or born again before they believe. How absurd that one should twist these around to suit their own selfish agenda. Another lie not backed up by the proper interpretation of the Bible.

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Did the people of Jeremiah’s day have free will?

05/02/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

The more I read different passages of the Bible, the more I see clearly that man was given free will. Calvinist stand on the doctrine of man having no free will (or only free will to choose their evil in the words of some well known Calvinists).

Let’s go to Jeremiah chapter 7 today and see what the prophet Jeremiah says about what the Lord God says (We cant argue against the words of God Himself can we?). I will include a number of verses from Jeremiah 7 but please read and study yourself to see if it is so. Do not ever take the words of a preacher as truth. Check God’s word and see if what they say is truth.

Jeremiah Chapter 7 (KJV):

1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD saying,

3 Thus saith the Lord of host, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.

4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD are these.

5 For if ye thoroughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye thoroughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;

6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.

9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;

10 And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?

18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices;

23 But this thing commended I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.

28 But you shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

So here we have clearly written that God commanded them NOT to do all these abominations which provoke God to wrath, neither did it come into His heart! It wasn’t on His mind for them to do this. Yet Calvinists would have you believe God ordains evil? Or would a simpler approach be to be consistent with the entire bible in believing the truth that man has free will. This free will given by God and man will be held accountable for their free will choices. God giving man free will in no way makes God less sovereign nor does it add one bit to Salvation as a work of man. Accepting a gift as any dictionary can tell you, does not add to the gift. If your parent gifts you a new car, you accepting it is not adding to the car. It is still a car whether you receive it or not. All you have to do is choose. All we have to do is tell people about the free gift so they can choose.

In the passage above and other passages in Jeremiah (Jeremiah 19 and Jeremiah 32) it is clear that the people of Israel rebelled against God and chose to do things which God did not intend for them. He had no desire for them to do abominations which would provoke Him to anger and cause Him to have to punish them. God has made it clear throughout the entire bible that He desires the salvation of man. He sent His son Jesus Christ to die in our place to redeem us. And as clearly stated throughout the Bible, the payment on the cross was for all (all of course not meaning anything other than all – unlike what many Calvinists will teach).

 

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The False Calvinist Gospel blog

31/12/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

The False Calvinist Gospel blog

There is much false teaching in the world today, especially within what many like to call “The Church”. People are declared Christians because they speak in tongues or demonstrate spiritual manifestations such as Toronto, or they attend worship on Saturdays, or they go to mass, or they go to confession, or they relentlessly knock on doors, etc. But one group largely escapes the critical eye of those who seek out false doctrines. It is a group of people who claim to be more Biblical, with a higher view of God’s sovereignty, people who claim to be more scholarly than the rest (and therefore to trust them because they “know” more). They are generally well-accepted among fundamentalist believers because they, very importantly, appear to believe like them. They claim that their truth is the gospel, yet preach the gospel of the people who are not of their group. (They only preach their gospel to those who have already been won to their cause.) They claim their “truth” is better, yet do not preach it widely nor openly to the uninitiated.

And who are these false teachers? They are those who claim to be calvinist, reformed, or of the doctrines of grace, etc. They claim that calvinism is the gospel, yet not one person will ever be won for Christ by the preaching of the calvinist gospel alone. (The calvinist gospel is that list of calvinist distinctives known as TULIP, which was presented to the Synod of Dort in 1618-19, which are those distinctive doctrines which define calvinism as different from non-calvinist fundamentalists.) Only the gospel of Christ as presented in the Bible is able to save to the uttermost. But the calvinist continues to hold to his cry that “Calvinism is the gospel”!

This is the calvinist gospel (T.U.L.I.P.):

(a) Total depravity (or Total Inability) – The total absence of free will for man to ever be able to choose this day whom he would serve. That is, God chooses who will be saved. Whoever is chosen for salvation will go to heaven; those not chosen for salvation go to hell. (According to some calvinist beliefs, man may be permitted to sin, even be able to choose to sin, yet not have the free will to not choose sin!)

(b) Unconditional Election – The selection by God, from the beginning of time, of an elect (read “elite”) group who would go to heaven without any condition being required of man. That is, God’s choice did not depend in any way upon any quality of goodness or lack thereof in your life. Nothing you (nor anyone else) can do can ever influence God’s choice concerning you one way or the other. Effectively, this makes any kind of Biblical evangelism quite redundant, for according to this teaching, if you are on that list of elect, you will be regenerated (their term for “being saved”); if you are not one of the elect, you will not be regenerated, ever. No Biblical evangelism can ever logically make any difference at all!

(c) Limited Atonement – The atonement for sins on the cross to be limited to only those whom God has unconditionally chosen to be His elect. It is sometimes called “particular atonement” or “definite atonement” or “effectual atonement” – these various terms are designed to draw your attention away from the fact that they teach that the atonement for sins is limited only to the elect). Effectively, therefore, if you are not one of the elect, you cannot ever be saved because the calvinist Jesus never died for your sins. He only died for the 1% that God chose for heaven; the other 99% can never be saved, even if they wanted to be. That is, the calvinist God made absolutely no provision for any gospel of salvation for the 99% non-elect of the world. According to the calvinist, they were born with only one option from the start: eternal torment in hell.
(Some calvinists claim that the elect of God were important enough for Jesus to die for their sins, thus leaving open the implication that the non-elect were not important enough! See MacArthur teaches works salvation)

(d) Irresistible Grace – The total inability of man to resist the call of the Holy Spirit if and when he (man) is called for “regeneration”. (Regeneration is their term for “being born again”; it is rare to find a calvinist using the term “being saved”.) That is, if you are one of the elect of God, then when God calls you to regeneration, you will come; you will not be able to resist the call of the Holy Spirit to be saved. Effectively, if you are one of the elect, you cannot avoid, refuse, or resist God’s call. It is your destiny!
(In fact, the phrase “It is your destiny” effectively applies to every person on earth, 1% to salvation, the remaining 99% to hell. Note also that the Holy Spirit, according to the calvinist, will never call any of the 99% non-elect to salvation! It never was their destiny at any time, ever.)

(e) Perseverance of the Saints – The perseverance of the elect to continue faithfully until they enter heaven. That is, if you don’t persevere in your “faithful” works until the end, you never were one of the elect in the first place. It is effectively the same as “once saved, always saved”. While calvinists often deny that a person can be “once saved, always saved” as “easy-believism”, they do teach that once you are born again as one of God’s elect, you cannot lose your eternal salvation in heaven. I cannot see any significant difference between the two!
Once regenerated, an elect person cannot backslide, cannot lose his/her salvation, ever. (Because this strongly suggests a somewhat holy perfection of the Christian, some prefer to say the elect person cannot backslide significantly, but neglect to define “significantly”.) Backsliding, which in calvinist teaching is characterised by leaving regular church worship and other Christian activities, demonstrates that your faith may have been only temporary; that is, you never were really one of the elect in the first place. This was a teaching of John Calvin, who termed it “an inferior operation of the Spirit”! (Calvin’s Institutes Bk 3 Ch 2 Section 41)

Thus, the new calvinist, while attempting to appear evangelical and fundamentalist, fails miserably on both accounts. For the calvinist can offer absolutely no gospel of hope for 99% of the world, and the other 1% will be regenerated by the calvinist God even if they never hear the gospel. In fact, the calvinist teaches that it is only after a person is regenerated that he is able to believe in Jesus and His gospel of salvation.
“A man is not saved because he believes in Christ; he believes in Christ because he is saved.” (Page 75, The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination – Loraine Boettner)

The gospel of calvinism may be outlined as follows:

(a) If you were chosen by the calvinist God (clearly because you were important enough and valuable enough to be chosen – see MacArthur teaches works salvation), then you are going to heaven, all expenses covered, nothing required to be paid, nor even any action required. You will be notified in due time when God decides it’s time for you to be regenerated, and from then you are bound for heaven. We assume that’s OK with you? Of course, the calvinist God will ensure that you are important enough and valuable enough to warrant that salvation. He will create you as the right kind of person to inhabit heaven. Only 1% (or less) of mankind will enjoy such special privileges. It is your destiny to be special!

(b) If you were not chosen by the calvinist God (because he didn’t create you with sufficient importance nor value to be worth dying for), then you are going to hell, without any other option at all. Of course, all your expenses will be paid too, including your ticket to hell; and there’s nothing you have to do to get there, either, just sit back and enjoy (or otherwise) the ride! You will not be regenerated, nor saved, nor born again, or anything that might give you a chance at the calvinist heaven. While the calvinist God had infinite funds to pay for all mankind, he really only wanted to save a very small number of people (and that is his right, too!). He didn’t bother putting aside any provision for you to go anywhere except hell where you will pay for it for all eternity!

MacArthur says “God did not intend to save everyone.  He is God.  He could have intended to save everyone.  He could have saved everyone.  He would have if that had been His intention.  The atonement is limited.”
(“The Doctrine of Actual Atonement, Part 1”)
So, I’m sorry to have to tell the non-elect (the 99% or more of mankind) that the calvinist God did not intend saving you. He is God. He can do what he wants. He did not intend saving everyone. He could have intended saving you, but that was never his intention!
So, likewise, it is your destiny! Get used to it! After all, it will be your destiny for a very long time, eternity, in fact!

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Is MacArthur a Freemason?

30/12/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Is MacArthur a Freemason?

MacArthur (of Grace Community Church) makes a lot of his claims that he is so Biblical in his teaching, with Unleashing God’s Truth, One Verse at a Time heading each of his online documents. He does teach but one verse at a time, as a result notably ignoring many contextual truths in his efforts to teach false doctrines, thus denying his claim to be teaching God’s truth! It would be a vast improvement on the accuracy of his teachings if he were to teach using the consistency of many verses at the same time. It can be truly said that just about anything can be taught using one verse at a time, while genuine Scriptural doctrine is best taught using all relevant verses at a time! But so many people believe MacArthur because he sounds so genuine in his claims to be so Biblical. It’s a pity they don’t check out his teachings first.

Of course, a lot of people have read this document, and not one yet has attempted to demonstrate that MacArthur is not a freemason; obviously no-one is willing to deny such an accusation! Or else they’d tell me otherwise, wouldn’t they? Silence is always taken as an inability to defend. Does such silence mean that MacArthur serves the same god as freemasonry? Please feel free to comment on the  Contact page. Comments and replies are recorded on the Comments page.

So many of those gullible people (who consider MacArthur to be incapable of ever making a doctrinal mistake) just accept what he says as gospel truth. When he states that the Granville Sharp rule (of Greek) demonstrates that God’s foreknowledge is predetermined by God (Acts 2:23), people then quote it as absolute truth, disregarding the fact that MacArthur has misused this rule either deliberately or through sheer incompetence. (See MacArthur is Wrong). Or his misuse of the rules of Hebrew parallelism in a vain attempt to demonstrate that “many” cannot mean the same as “many” if the word is used twice in the same verse (Romans 5:15) and that “all” cannot mean the same as “all” if the word is used twice in the same verse (Romans 5:18). (See MacArthur is Wrong – Again!)

Some people have stated that MacArthur is opposed to Freemasonry, so I searched to see what he said about them – see the following from True Worship Pt 3.
Now, that (Masonry) is a religion.  Anything that says it’s a divinely appointed institution, designed to draw men nearer to God, to give them a clear conception of their proper relationship to God, to men and the ultimate destiny of their human soul, that’s a religion.  Masonry is a religion even though they don’t want to admit it. ……..

…… Well, I think you understand, that’s enough, frankly, to sicken anyone because that’s (i.e. Masonry) a Satanic false religion.  It is unacceptable.  And there are myriads of such unacceptable kinds of worship.  And destiny is determined by that.  You may think you’re worshipping God, but you’re not.
(https://www.gty.org/library/print/sermons-library/2006)

So it does appear as if MacArthur has correctly understood that freemasonry is a satanic false religion, one that seeks to serve its master, satan. Freemasonry is indeed satanism, witchcraft, false worship of the worst kind. You would also expect that if MacArthur personally knew of any freemasons, he would openly condemn their false religion of worshipping satan. So, let’s see what our research reveals!

MacArthur wrote in A Father’s Legacy in 2005:
My Dad, Dr. John “Jack” MacArthur, was born March 30, 1914, in Calgary, Alberta, to Harry and Olivia Fullerton MacArthur. His mother’s father was a Presbyterian minister on Prince Edward Island, and his father, who dedicated his life to Christ as an adult, served as a pastor and an example for his young son. …….
My grandfather took over the church’s pastorate in 1943 as Dad moved to Fountain Avenue Baptist Church in Hollywood, California. At Fountain Avenue, Dad helped establish the Holly wood Christian group, an outreach to people in the film and television industries. He counted Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, who came to Christ under his preaching, as close personal friends.
(https://www.voiceofcalvaryradio.com/legacy3.htm)

In “A Father’s Legacy”, MacArthur makes two interesting statements. One is that his father’s maternal grandfather (Thomas Fullerton) and therefore MacArthur’s great grandfather, was a Presbyterian minister on Prince Edward Island.
MacArthur also praises the spiritual harvest that has resulted from that ministry of his great grandfather Thomas Fullerton:
The good news is, when the soil is prepared by God, there’s going to be an explosion of spiritual fruit and the harvest will go on and on and on and on and on and on. A nice young man in our church was recently in Prince Edward Island and I had said in the church service that my great grandfather was a pastor of St. James Kirk Presbyterian Kirk in Prince Edward Island back in the 1800’s. So when he was up there, he started digging around and found all kinds of things about my great grandfather. Thomas Fullerton was his name and he was pastor there at the main church in Charletown(?) (Charlottetown) for about twenty-eight years. He was a chaplain in the Canadian Military and he went to the Bower(?) (Boer) War in South Africa and fought and did ministry among the troops. And you look back and that and you say, “Okay, there’s a…his father was also a pastor who had been in Scotland and then gone to Australia and come there and at some point the Lord plowed the heart of that family and it just kept going and it just kept going and it kept going and it came down through my…from my great-grandfather to my grandmother, his daughter, and then through her to my father and then through me and this is the explosion and we’re all in this process somewhere.
(https://www.gty.org/library/print/sermons-library/41-18)

Up until now it looks like MacArthur (according to his statements) belongs to a great evangelistic family with a spiritual harvest that we might tend to assume was somewhat akin to a vibrant Christian missionary ministry. It says of Thomas Fullerton’s father (MacArthur’s great great grandfather) in “A Father’s Legacy” that he dedicated his life to Christ as an adult, serving as a pastor and an example for his young son (who would have been MacArthur’s great grandfather, Thomas Fullerton). (Or it says of MacArthur’s father’s father that he was an example for his young son – the statement doesn’t make it clear here.) And, upon hearing all this, we might well think that MacArthur’s ancestry was really full-on with Christian teaching and preaching the gospel of Christ. It does show just how misled we can get when we are only given one side of the story, for some very important facts have been completely left out!

Now the truth: MacArthur’s great grandfather, Rev Thomas Fullerton, was a high-ranking freemason, attaining the 32nd degree (the highest level a freemason can reach in the Scottish Rite, with the 33rd degree often given as well but only by invitation). He was Grand Chaplain, 1907-10; Senior Grand Deacon, 1911; Deputy Grand Master, 1912 and Grand Master, 1913, plus he is designated PGM – Provincial Grand Master. The following is from the Prince Edward Island (PEI) freemasonry lodge website.
Most Worshipful Brother
Thomas Fraser Fullerton, PGM
Grand Lodge of Prince Edward Island, A.F. & A.M.;
Grand Master 1913 – 1914
Thomas Fraser Fullerton was born at Glasgow, Scotland, on March 28th, 1861.
He received his early education at a Public School, matriculating into Glasgow University from which he graduated as Prizeman.
Having fitted himself for a life of theological work he came to America in 1889, and after a short Pastorate in St. John, N. B., he accepted a call to St. James Presbyterian Church, (Kirk) in Charlottetown, P. E. I. This charge he still holds, and has held continually for twenty-one years, with the exception of one year while in active service as Chaplain with the Royal Canadian Regiment in the South African War in 1900.
He received the Degree of Doctor of Divinity from the Presbyterian College at Halifax, N. S. in 1913.
In Masonry he received his first light as an Entered Apprentice in St. Johns Lodge, No. 1, Charlottetown, on March 15th, 1901, as a Fellow Craft, April 16th, and as Master Mason, May 14th, of the same year. He presided as Worshipful Master of St. Johns Lodge in 1911. In the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite he received the degrees of the Lodge of Perfection and Rose Croix Chapter in 1903, and the intermediate degrees to 32degree in Charlottetown Consistory in 1911.
In the Grand Lodge he was Grand Chaplain, 1907-10; Senior Grand Deacon, 1911; Deputy Grand Master, 1912 and Grand Master, 1913.
From the Proceedings of the 38th Annual Communication of the Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Prince Edward Island A.F. & A. M. (1913).
(https://peifreemasonry.com/thomas-fraser-fullerton-pgm/)

It is likely that Thomas Fullerton’s father was also a high-ranking freemason who may have held the position of Grand Secretary of the Provincial Grand Orange Lodge for the Province under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge of British America.
Note also that MacArthur’s middle name is Fullerton, as was his father’s middle name, his grandmother’s maiden name (Olivia Fullerton MacArthur), and the surname of his great grandfather and great great grandfather. Many would see this as evidence of a satanic bloodline where a certain name of significance is carried from one generation to the next as evidence of their heritage.

Note also that one of the lodges associated with Prince Edward Island Grand Lodge, Alexandra Lodge No. 5, states that Worshipful Brother D Fullerton gave an address on October 3rd, 1991. The Fullerton bloodline apparently still lives on!
Alexandra Lodge No. 5
The lighted case for the Trowel was constructed and presented by W.Bro. Byron Hutchison. Bro. Yeo’s Past Master’s Jewel is also in the case. A Memorial Tablet on the East Wall of the Lodge Room was unveiled by R.W.Bro. George Wakeford PDGM during Grand Lodge Visitation on June 27, 1928. Bro. Yeo’s portrait was unveiled in the Lodge Room on October 3, 1991. An Address for the occasion was presented by W.Bro. D. Fullerton. An earlier portrait had been presented in 1874.
(https://peifreemasonry.com/alexandra-lodge-no-5/9/)

So what spiritual harvest can you expect of a high-ranking freemason such as Thomas Fullerton? Certainly not a Christian one, that’s for sure. Apparently the spiritual harvest that MacArthur boasts of having come down to him through the generations clearly is not Christian. MacArthur has stated that freemasonry is a satanic false religion. Therefore his great grandfather Thomas Fullerton served a satanic false religion, according to MacArthur’s teachings. You cannot serve both God and satan; therefore Thomas Fullerton did not serve the one true God of the Bible. So why doesn’t MacArthur mention anywhere that his great grandfather (from whom he claims that great spiritual harvest came) was a freemason, a servant of a satanic false religion? If MacArthur is truly opposed to freemasonry, then we would expect him to denounce those in his family who were freemasons, not praise their spiritual harvest!

But what about that mention of Roy Rogers in “A Father’s Legacy”? “He counted Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, who came to Christ under his preaching, as close personal friends.”
Roy Rogers was a close personal friend of MacArthur’s father, and the current MacArthur would have seen them often while he was growing up. He appears to praise Roy Rogers and Dale Evans in “A Father’s Legacy”; he certainly doesn’t denounce them. And yet, Roy Rogers (real name Leonard Franklin Slye) was a 33rd degree freemason; this fact is chiselled into his gravestone. He is said to have been led to Christ by John “Jack” MacArthur (John MacArthur’s father) in 1948, attained the 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite of freemasonry in 1950, and then accepted an invitation to the 33rd degree in 1979. Roy Rogers clearly did not renounce his satanic false worship when he became a “Christian”; instead he climbed even further up the satanic freemasonry ladder after he became a “Christian”!

So why hasn’t the current MacArthur denounced Roy Rogers for his satanic false religion? In “A Father’s Legacy” he apparently considered Roy Rogers as a Christian and a close personal friend of his father’s. Why doesn’t MacArthur mention or even hint at the dark nature of Roy Rogers’ satanic false worship? A genuine Christian who knows the Bible well would certainly denounce freemasonry as a satanic false religion, and MacArthur does appear to do just that. Then why does he not denounce it in his family and family friends, and even praises the spiritual harvest of his freemason ancestors.

To denounce freemasonry from the pulpit while also refusing to acknowledge its significant presence in his family and acquaintances draws a serious charge of double standards, and strongly suggests that MacArthur, while trying to be seen as opposing such satanic false worship, is actually a secret worshipper of the same god that his ancestors and family friends worshipped: satan. Is MacArthur, in fact, a secret or closet worshipper of satan? At least his ancestor Thomas Fullerton was open about his ties with the false religion of freemasonry.

See The False Calvinist Gospel for further evidence of the satanic false worship inherent in the calvinist gospel. Calvinists claim that calvinism is the gospel, yet never preach it to anyone until after they have already been initiated into the rites of calvinism. Why do they claim that they are most Biblical, yet not openly advertise the reality of their doctrines to non-calvinists? See The Oxymorons of Calvinist Doctrine.

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Potential Vs Actual Salvation? What’s the Difference?

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Potential Vs Actual Salvation? What’s the Difference?

MacArthur, along with number of calvinists (generally of the neo-calvinist variety), teaches that only limited atonement (that is, Jesus only died for the sins of those whom God chose for salvation) can effectively save people. He calls this an “actual” salvation. He also says that if Jesus died for all the sins of all people, then such an atonement can only lead to what he terms a “potential salvation” which he says cannot be an actual salvation. MacArthur clearly demonstrates his total lack of understanding of the subject matter when he says, “There is no such thing as some kind of potential atonement, some kind of half-way atonement.” (The Doctrine of Actual Salvation Part 1 – MacArthur)

So where is the evidence for MacArthur’s bold yet futile statement? Let’s take a look at some of his “supporting statements”.
And all we have to do is tell sinners that He loves them so much that He paid the price and He wants them to be saved, and all they have to do is respond.
Now if that is true, then on the cross Jesus accomplished a potential salvation, not an actual one.  That is, sinners have all had their sins atoned for potentially, and it’s not actual until they activate it by their faith.  So, what we need to do is to tell sinners that they need to pick up the salvation that’s already been purchased for them.  Since Christ died for everybody, everybody therefore can be saved.  It’s just a matter of them coming to receive that salvation.  And so, our responsibility is to convince people to come and take the salvation that’s been provided for them, to convince them to come and accept the gift.
(The Doctrine of Actual Salvation Part 1 – MacArthur)

So far MacArthur has (even if somewhat cynically) stated Biblical truth. Even in stating that it is a potential salvation that only becomes actual by the sinners’ faith, he has stated Biblical truth. But, MacArthur does not believe that any of this is true. He is merely stating what he says the average Christian would say. He is simply mocking the actual truth of the Bible! Let’s see what else MacArthur says in this document.
That is to say, the death of Jesus Christ, then, is not an actual atonement, it is only a potential atonement.  He really did not purchase salvation for anyone in particular.  He only removed some kind of barrier to make it possible for sinners to choose to be saved.
So the message then – the typical evangelical message – is to sinners, “God loves you so much He sent His Son who paid in full the penalty for your sins. And won’t you respond to that love, and not disappoint God, and accept the gift, and let Him save you since He already paid in full the price for your sins?”  The final decision is up to the sinner.
(The Doctrine of Actual Salvation Part 1 – MacArthur)

MacArthur then goes on to say that because man does not have the free will to make such a decision, then the potential salvation remains potential and can never become actual. Of course, the Bible actually teaches that man does have a free will to choose the accept the gift of salvation. I have never once seen any calvinist satisfactorily use a Biblical response to demonstrate any such lack of free will! Why does God give man so many choices in the Bible concerning good and evil, yet never allows him the ability to take the responsibility for any of those choices? And, if man cannot take the responsibility for any of those choices, then why is the calvinist God so unjust in that he created a class of mankind that could never choose to not sin, yet illogically and unjustly be punished for eternity in hell for doing that which he was created to do? The logic of this all rests upon whether or not man has any free will at all in calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved (Romans 10:13), or does God decree beforehand that such a person will call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. (If the calvinist God has indeed decreed beforehand that this should be so, then he has also decreed that those of mankind who are not chosen for salvation will not call upon the name of the Lord and thus they will not be saved; they will go to hell because the kind, considerate, calvinist God has chosen this for them!)

MacArthur then attempts to redefine the terms “potential” and “actual”.
For whom did Christ die?  Did He die a death that is a potential salvation for everyone, and therefore on the largest part it was useless?  Or did He die a death that is an actual atonement, not a potential one? …..
It was not some kind of virtual atonement.  It was a real actual atonement.
It was limited in its extent to those who would believe, who are the called and the chosen.  But it was unlimited in its effect.  For them, it was a full and complete atonement.  There is no such thing as an atonement by Jesus Christ on the cross that is less than a true and actual atonement.  There is no such thing as some kind of potential atonement, some kind of half-way atonement.
(The Doctrine of Actual Salvation Part 1 – MacArthur)

In other words, MacArthur is saying that a potential atonement can never be full and complete. That is, if Jesus died for all people, then they all have a potential salvation, yet none of them has an actual salvation. What MacArthur is really saying is that potential salvation can never be a full actual salvation. Potential atonement is only a “half-way” atonement! It only goes “half-way”! But, anything that is “potential” means that it hasn’t gone anywhere at all until it is triggered or actuated by some event or decision. Something that is “potential” cannot go anywhere, not even “half-way”, until it becomes “actual”.

So, let’s look at what “potential” actually means! A dictionary defines potential as something that can become actual. The word “potential” comes from a word meaning “power” (that is, it is potent or powerful). In science, “potential” is defined as that which can become “actual” when triggered or set in motion, at which point potential energy becomes kinetic energy. Potential energy changes to kinetic energy when the object moves. To be “potential” means to be just as powerful as “actual”, yet not activated yet. Potential is stored energy that is currently at rest.

For example, a gun with a bullet pointed at someone’s head is a potential death for that person. Just because the bullet is not activated does not lessen the threat at all. It only needs to be triggered to become actual, and when the potential becomes actual here, it is fully actual, not part-actual or “half-way” actual!

Another example: A wild tiger has been trapped in a cage for more than a week. It hasn’t been fed while it’s been in that cage and is consequently very hungry. Let’s say, for instance, that someone tells MacArthur to get into that cage with the tiger. He might say, “No! It’s a man-eater!” You might reply, “No! It’s not a man-eater, for it has never eaten anyone yet, nor has it even killed a man before. It’s only a potential man-eater. It’s only a potential killer!” MacArthur might reply, “It’ll become a killer and a man-eater when I get into that cage.”
So, if that tiger has never killed anyone, and never eaten anyone, then it is not an actual killer, nor is it an actual man-eater! It is only a potential killer; it is only a potential man-eater. But only a fool would argue that because it’s only a potential killer that it would be safe to get into the cage with it.

It is abundantly clear that being potential does not lessen the force nor power if it should become actual. And something cannot be potential if it cannot happen! That which is potential must be fully capable of happening, and that which is potential must have the full potency (full power) of that which is actual.

Thus, a potential salvation must be fully capable of happening and, if and when it does happen, it must act with the full force (potency) of an actual salvation. All “potential” needs to become “actual” is a trigger. So where did MacArthur learn the fallacy that because something is potential, it lacks the full potency of that which is actual? That a potential salvation only atones half-way? That “potential” means “half-way”?
“There is no such thing as some kind of potential atonement, some kind of half-way atonement.” says MacArthur.

So according to MacArthur that tiger may be a potential killer and man-eater, and therefore can only become “half-way” actual? Don’t worry, that tiger will only half-kill you! Don’t worry, that tiger will only half-eat you! Because, according to MacArthur’s logic, that which is merely potential can only become “half-way” actual.
That potential bullet in the gun will only be “half-way” actual. Does that mean it only travels at half the speed, or that it stops half-way, failing to reach you because it was only “potential”!

And how can any atonement be “half-way”? Can a person be “half-saved”? Did Jesus die for only half that person’s sins? The Bible clearly teaches that a person is either saved, or not saved; there is no middle ground of “half-way” saved! So a potential atonement must either be fully effective, or not effective at all. There is no scriptural option anywhere for defining a potential atonement as a “half-way atonement”! It either is, or it isn’t!

The truth (a rare commodity for many calvinists) is that a potential event either remains potential (and therefore effectively dormant or non-effective) or it becomes fully (not “half-way”) potent (fully active) when triggered. Potential either remains potential or becomes fully potent, not half-way, nor anywhere else in between. So, when those calvinists in a seemingly phrenetic effort to appear “half-way” scholarly, start using terms for which they have no apparent understanding, check them out. You’d be surprised (really, you shouldn’t be surprised!) just how often their “scholarly” statements are actually incorrect or even straight-out mistruths. Check them out. Test all things. Hold fast to that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5:21). They might appear to have real potential, but, by their own teaching, to appear to be potentially correct might actually turn out to be only “half-way” true!

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Spurgeon was no genuine calvinist!

29/11/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Spurgeon was no genuine calvinist!

Don’t those calvinists just love to boast that Spurgeon was one of their own! But, much of what Spurgeon said about calvinism was a product of his need for social acceptance with the acknowledged religious leaders of his day. It is true that a lot of what he said appeared to be blatantly calvinist.

For example, almost all calvinists know and love to quote Spurgeon’s claim that calvinism is the gospel!
“And I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. … It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else.”
(Page 58 Spurgeon’s Sermons on the Cross of Christ)
And if, as Spurgeon claims, calvinism is the gospel, then why was Spurgeon apparently saved by the simple preaching of the gospel at a Primitive Methodist church without any adornment of any kind regarding the doctrines of calvinism? It was only later on that he became aware of calvinist doctrine.

Spurgeon also appeared to teach that calvinism was the only fully correct doctrine.
“I do not ask whether you believe Calvinism. It is possible that you do not. But I believe you will before you enter heaven. I am persuaded that as God may have washed your hearts, He will wash your brains before you enter heaven.” (Sermons, Vol. 1, p. 92)

But there were occasions when Spurgeon just couldn’t be pushed into the calvinist corner. The same man who claimed that calvinism was the gospel also taught doctrines which actively opposed those very doctrines that he claimed were the gospel!
For example, on 1 Timothy 2:4 (Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.), calvinist doctrines force calvinists to have to teach that
either (a) God does not will what He desires; that is, God is in two minds concerning what He desires versus what He actually commands. (Both Piper and MacArthur allow God at least two wills: a will of desire and a will of command or decree.) This makes God out to be double-minded, a condition that Christians are told not to be in, therefore, unacceptable to teach such for sovereign God.
or (b) “all men” does not actually mean “all men” but all kinds of men, all sorts of men, men of all nations etc. This is the view of most traditional calvinists. But if God meant less than all, then He would have made that clear. Apparently Spurgeon considered this to be the case!

Spurgeon refused to accept that “all men” could mean anything else than a literal “all men”! This placed him in direct conflict with the prominent calvinists of his day.
“All men,” say they; “that is, some men”: as if the Holy Ghost could not have said “some men” if he had meant some men. “All men,” say they; “that is, some of all sorts of men”: as if the Lord could not have said “All sorts of men” if he had meant that. The Holy Ghost by the apostle has written “all men,” and unquestion­ably he means all men. I know how to get rid of the force of the “alls” according to that critical method which some time ago was very current, but I do not see how it can be applied here with due regard to the truth.
(Spurgeon v. Calvinism Iain Murray, P150-151)

And, when it came to Spurgeon’s teaching on whom Jesus actually came to save, it wasn’t the elect, or the chosen of God. Rather, it was for the lost, which has to assume that Jesus came to save all mankind (all being lost) or that only the elect or chosen of God are actually lost. The calvinist with their doctrine of limited atonement cannot accept that Jesus died for all mankind, leaving the one logical option, that only the elect are lost! It is clear that Spurgeon was not a calvinist when preaching such a gospel!
Beloved Friends, “The Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” Does not the description suit you? are you not among the lost? Well then, you are among such as Jesus Christ came to save.
(Twelve Sermons for the Troubled and Tried P 82 Charles Spurgeon)

And, yet another problem for those calvinists who claim Spurgeon as one of their own: Spurgeon stated clearly that the gospel was an unnecessary thing for those who were already regenerated. If there’s one thing calvinists must all be consistent on, it is the doctrine that teaches that a man cannot spiritually respond to God in any way until after he has been regenerated (that is, born again) to new life by the Holy Spirit. They teach (using Ephesians 2:1) that until we are born again we are all dead in trespasses and sin, that is, we are all dead corpses without any ability at all to respond positively to God in any way until we have been quickened (been made alive) by the power of the Holy Spirit. Thus, the calvinist is unable to even respond to the gospel until after he has been regenerated. Calvinism teaches that we must be regenerated before we can respond to the gospel.

Yet Spurgeon here claims that preaching the gospel to those already regenerated is unnecessary and ridiculous!
…. here my first observation is that any other way of preaching the gospel-warrant is absurd. If I am to preach faith in Christ to a man who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already, and it is an unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him, and bid him to believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being regenerate. But you will tell me that I ought to preach it (the gospel) only to those who repent of their sins. Very well; but since true repentance of sin is the work of the Spirit, any man who has repentance is most certainly saved, because evangelical repentance never can exist in an unrenewed soul. Where there is repentance there is faith already, for they never can be separated. So, then, I am only to preach faith to those who have it. Absurd, indeed! Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him the medicine? This is preaching Christ to the righteous and not to sinners.
(The Warrant of Faith Sermon 531 20th September 1863, C H Spurgeon)

Calvinists, however, are required to believe many illogical teachings and statements if they are to be consistent with the doctrines of calvinism (they prefer the terms “doctrines of grace” or even “reformed”). For example, John MacArthur maintains a very high profile among seemingly fundamentalist believers, yet if his followers just took the time to check out his teachings thoroughly, they would certainly find inconsistencies and errors. There are many other calvinists with inconsistent and irrational teachings such as Piper and Sproul.

Check out the following documents for further information. If you have a comment, please feel free to contact us. If you disagree with anything that is written in these documents, please feel free to comment, but also ensure that your comments are Biblically consistent. Please do not quote calvinist “teachers” to support your claims unless you also demonstrate that they are Scripturally consistent. Far too many calvinist “teachers” are far too free and easy on their interpretation of the Bible!

In MacArthur teaches Works Salvation MacArthur teaches that God saves those who are important or valuable enough, thus choosing not to save those who are not important or valuable enough to be considered for salvation.

In MacArthur is Wrong, MacArthur misuses a little-known Greek rule to “prove” a false doctrine. Is it a deliberate misuse, or is it simply incompetence? Either way, such an acclaimed “teacher” should be above such behaviour! Unless, of course, he is not the acclaimed teacher that he would like to be!

In MacArthur is Wrong – Again! MacArthur is again attempting to blind his gullible listeners with theological terminology, by misusing a rule (Hebrew this time) to prove that when “all” is used twice in the same verse, it has to have two different meanings. And he not only says that “all” cannot mean “all” if they are both in the same verse, but he also says that “many” cannot mean “many” if they are both present in the same verse.

Other calvinist “teachers” such as Todd Friel, Paul Tripp and Gary Thomas also preach another gospel, a false gospel without hope.

Todd Friel says that if you prayed the sinner’s prayer, you are still going to hell. Read  The Heresy of Todd Friel

In his study materials on Sacred Marriage, Gary Thomas uses new age kundalini yoga advice to help you in your marriage. Read Gary Thomas – New Age Teacher

And Paul Tripp says that we all need counselling (of the type he recommends) to become healthy Christians, because we are all infected with a terrible disease called “identity amnesia” from the day we are saved. Read Paul Tripp – Heretic or Tare?

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Why do Calvinists often omit words from some verses?

08/10/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Today we studied Ephesians 1:15-23 and in doing so, we looked back at verses 3 to 6 as we want to always ensure each passage in Ephesians is read in context and we are clear on who the different parties are who are mentioned.

If you look at verse 3 ‘Blessed (be) the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly (places) in Christ:’ verse 4 ‘According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:’ verse 5 ‘Having predestinated us unto the  adoption by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,’ verse 6 ‘To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.’

Firstly, this is a sentence and it is directed to the saints at Ephesus and those who are faithful in Christ Jesus (who could potentially be the same group but could also be inclusive of other churches to whom this letter was to be distributed to). So verses 3 to 6 are talking to Christians, those already saved.

Secondly, verse 4 says he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame. Two truths here that I see are;

  1. Christians have been chosen in Christ (note the ‘in Christ’) before the foundation of the world; and
  2. the purpose was that Christians should be holy and without blemish.

It does not say we have been chosen for justification (salvation) because the context is more to do with the process of sanctification. It also does not say we were chosen ‘unconditionally’. That is sometimes an assumption made by Calvinists because they must ensure the bible supports their assumptions. Yes, there is an election and yes God chooses his people, but nowhere does it say he does it unconditionally. We see in Romans 8:29 and 1 Peter 1:2 that he chooses based on foreknowledge.

I brought your attention to the ‘in him’ or ‘in Christ’ before, and the reason is because interestingly, Calvin leaves these words out in his teaching on this ‘Blessed be God who hath blessed us in Christ, according as he hath chosen us before the foundation of the world.’ (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, Calvin p68).

Taking these two words out do somewhat change the meaning of the verse so that it says we were chosen before the foundation of the world. But the verse actually says we were chosen IN HIM before the foundation of the world. This is just another example of where the Calvinist has played around with scripture rather than accept what scripture says and fit our doctrines into what the bible says rather than make the bible say what our doctrines are.

The word used in Ephesians 1:4 for chosen is eklegomai and interestingly, the word used in 1 Peter 1:2  is eklektos (derived from eklegomai). It is clear that we were chosen by God before the foundation of the world. It is also clear that we were chosen based on God’s foreknowledge (consistency is a must).  Foreknowledge being that God knew who would accept salvation and believe the gospel and put their faith in God, and God choosing them. We cannot demand that God save us. Faith is believing in the character of God and his word, his promises. We believe that God exists, we believe that Jesus died and rose again for us to pay the price, we believe that God will save us, but we cannot demand this.

God knows all things from start to finish before the foundation of the world. To believe otherwise would be to limit God’s sovereignty. God is sovereign and can also give free will choices to us. To limit God from doing this is again, to limit his sovereignty. God chooses us and we choose him. This is completely in line with the bible.

Calvinists I think get a little confused when foreknowledge is awkward. Firstly, they discredit it because the Calvinist God has dictated all things or pre-ordained all things that will happen. So they cant accept foreknowledge and therefore have to change the meaning to something that doesn’t make sense anyhow.

I have heard a number of Calvinists talk about foreknowledge sarcastically as it is like God looking (or peering) into the future (or corridors of time), as if God has to get out his binoculars or telescope to pick out any detail (or those who would come to him), But they need to understand who God is. God is the great I AM. He is present at all points of time at all times. Jesus didn’t refer to himself as I was or I will be. He said I AM. Time is a panorama spread out before him from beginning to end. Why then is foreknowledge so difficult for Calvinism? Or perhaps their God is indeed limited and cannot effectively use foreknowledge? Then he isn’t the God of the bible.

Check out other articles on this website to see other examples of misinterpreting bible verses, taking them out of context, changing or removing words and applying rules incorrectly to verses. If Calvinism is really the truth, then why the need to change the bible? Why doesn’t the bible clearly state their doctrines?

 

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Biblical truth versus calvinist doctrines

27/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

I have often put forward what the bible says on certain Christian doctrines to calvinists on my facebook page. Many of them like to post what sounds like a biblica truth, and usually quoted by a well known calvinist such as Paul Washer or John MacArthur or Sproul or Piper, etc. I firstly find it strange that many of the evangelical Christians I know, dont have an issue with posting anything from a calvinist such as MacArthur, yet its a no no to post a quote from a well known pentecostal. Whilst some of the quotes are often true or great bits of inspiration, those posting them probably arent aware if the person they are quoting, even agrees with them biblically, or is even a Christian.

Satan knows the bible well and he will appear as an angel of light. He wont appear to a Christian as some evil lying murderer as that would be too easy to spot. For some reason majority of Christians in Australia have such as lack of discernment to be able to understand spiritual warfare. Just because you are a Christian does NOT mean you cant be attacked by Satan. Any teacher or preacher telling you that you cannot be attacked by Satan and that spiritual warfare is between God and Satan only, is lying to you.

How does Satan attack solid evangelical biblically fundamental churches? Well for a start, he will use different tatics on each church depending on what weaknesses he can find. You may say, but the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. Well that is true, but if the church invites Satan in then the gates arent going to keep him out now are they?

Same concept with our lives. If in our daily walk, we invite Satan into our lives through COMPROMISE and SIN, then he will gain some form of control. He gains that control through us giving him that right, through sin and compromise.  The first thing I believe Satan will take control of if we continue in sin or compromise is our discernment. It is a very dangerous weapon against Satan as with discernment, we can see through his evil schemes and lies. Without it though, we are not fully equipped for battle.

We gain discernment through reading and studying the Bible and through a close relationship with God. Even through fellowshipping with other like minded believers. The Holy Spirit gives us discernment. If we ignore the Holy Spirit and decide we are going to compromise through listening and accepting false doctrines or sin through whatever means, then how are we going to hear the Holy Spirit? I would like to study this more and there are so many answers in the Bible on all this, such as Ephesians 6 talking about the armour we are given by God and unless we wear that armour, we cannot fight effectively. If we werent in spiritual warfare, there would be zero need for armour right?

So onto calvinist doctrines (which I pray you have the discernment to see through any non-truths).  I often see someone talk about faith being a gift from God. I know straight away they are from a reformed belief when they say that, or else they are being led towards reformed. I then ask, ok so where in the bible does it say faith is a gift? I see many places it talks to faith being a response to God’s character, trusting in who He is and His promises, and a choice mind you, but I dont see anywhere in the Bible where it mentions faith being a gift.

The response is almost always either silence (as the believer doesnt really know why they believe that, they may have just been told it by their calvinist pastor), or else a ‘i’ll get back to you’ and so far they never have. You may have heard this verse quoted:

Ephesians 2:8: “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God” (NASB).

However, when you read this verse or if you study the greek and understand what it says, you will quickly find out that this verse does NOT say faith is a gift. It says that by grace you have been saved through faith, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. The gift of course being by grace you were saved. Salvation is the gift. Is this consistent with the rest of the Bible? I say yes. Salvation as a free gift is spoken of many times in the Bible. The verse of course says that it is received THROUGH faith. Faith not being the gift. However, many calvinists will twist this verse to say faith is the gift. The verse doesnt say that. Is faith being a gift consistent with the rest of the Bible? I cant find anywhere in the Bible stating faith being a gift so I say no. If the doctrine conflicts with the rest of the Bible then throw it out. If it isnt found elsewhere, and there is a doctrine in that passage or verse that is consistent, then I would go with the one that is consistent elsewhere. The Bible does NOT contradict itself (contrary to belief by many non-Christians that it does – they just dont understand it).

Is the atonement limited to just the elect? Or another way to put it, did Christ only die for the elect? Calvinists usually believe in limited atonement. Evanglical Christians believe it is for all people for whom Christ died and therefore all can come. I wont go into the logic (or illogic) that calvinist go into to prove this one, but very simply, throughout the Bible there are numerous passages that say Jesus Christ died for the whole world, or all men, gentiles and jews. However calvinists will try and prove a verse says something else. Thing is, their proof means re-writing verses to suit the doctrine. Now that is a no-no and we know what the warning is to those who change the Bible.

1 John 1:9 to 1 John 2:2 say:

If we confess our sin he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Note that ‘our sins’ applies to the same group of Christians. So the same group of Christians for whom he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse from all unrighteousness, he is also the propitiation for the sins of. But then goes onto say BUT also for the sins of the whole world. So if ‘us’ is the Jewish Christians and the ‘whole world’ is the rest of the Christians (and not the whole world as the verse does actually say), then it gets a bit confusing given John only says the Jewish Christians have an advocate with the Father and not the rest of the Christians.

Again, consistency issue. John 3:16 backs up the reading of these verses in 1 John as that Christ is the propitiation for the sins of Christians and the whole world (all including non-Christians). It says that God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son, that whosover believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. According to the calvinists, they need to rewrite this one also as the world referring to the elect only. Apparently God didnt love the rest, the other 95% of the population. Yet He says He desires all men may come. So now we have an issue with God having two wills. See how changing the meaning of a verse creates all this confusion. God is NOT the author of confusion. Satan is. So in conclusion, I believe Calvinist theology, which has its roots in Augustine (father of catholic and lutheran beliefs as well), is a counterfeit alternative to church to catholicism and is from Satan himself. Just research Augustine and you will see he was certainly no role model. Neither was Calvin for that matter.

God bless. I pray that you do your own research and checking what I have written and checking anything on this website for Biblical consistency. Also test whatever you learn in church or from other sources. I do understand that knowing and spreading truth will often lead to a lonely life, one of suffering or persecution, even from those whom you would call Christian brothers and sisters, but for the short time we are here on earth, it is worth fighting the fight and standing firm on the Biblical truth.

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Calvinists born again before they are saved

24/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Calvinists teach that regeneration must come before we are able to believe and be saved.

That is, calvinists teach that we must be born again before we can believe and be justified (made right before a holy God, that is, saved). As the article below from monergism.com states, we are born again before we are saved, or the article from christiandoctrine.com that we are regenerated (= born again) before we can move forwards toward salvation. Understand this: calvinists actually teach that we are born again in order that we might be saved! And yet, when the need arises, they’ll also claim that you have to be born again before you can believe (as per John 3:3), thus proving that we must be saved before we can believe! This calvinism is unbelievably confused and confusing!

God regenerates us and then we believe, and hence regeneration precedes our conversion.
(https://www.9marks.org/article/does-regeneration-necessarily-precede-conversion/)

After a person is regenerated, that person cooperates by exercising faith and trust. But the first step is the work of God and of God alone.
(RC Sproul https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/sproul01.html)

Apart from the new birth, we are unable to accept the gospel
Apart from the new birth, we are unable to come to Christ or embrace him as Lord
(https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/why-do-we-need-to-be-born-again-part-1)

The teaching on being “born again” is much more specific, and the bible always places that event at the beginning of the Christian life, before conversion, justification, and so on (see question 41 above). When these terms are used imprecisely, it is easy for errors to slip in to one’s understanding, such as the teaching that we’re “born again” through faith, when the bible teaches that we’re “born again” to faith, that is, that God’s regenerating grace produces in our hearts the willingness to believe in him and be saved.
(https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/qna/bornagainsaved.html)

  1. Election – God’s choice of people to save. This choice occurred before the foundation of the world.
  2. Predestination – God’s  The work of God to ordain to salvation those who have been elected to it.
  3. Calling – The preaching of the gospel message.
  4. Regeneration – The change in the person produced by God.
  5. Faith – The trust an individual has in the work of God on the cross.
  6. Repentance – Turning from sin.
  7. Justification – The imputation of righteousness to the individual bus making him righteous according to the law.
  8. Sanctification – God’s work in the individual to make him more like Christ.
  9. Perseverance – God’s work in the individual results in the person continually believing throughout his life.
  10. Glorification – Resurrection to glory with God.

https://carm.org/what-is-the-ordo-salutis

Also, obedience cannot be integral to salvation, because of the process of salvation itself. Until and when a person’s spirit is made alive through regeneration, he cannot respond to God, and he certainly never seeks Him. He might seek a version of spirituality, but not salvation as given by God. He can never seek or respond to God, because he is dead in his sins! God says that. Regeneration is needed so that when God speaks to him, the man can start to move forward towards salvation.

This part is often not realised by the person to be saved, and obedience is not part of the equation. Rather, he is made to move forward by God’s mercy and grace, until the point is reached where he hears or reads the Gospel, repents and is saved. This is all an action by God alone, without any other work. The trust given for salvation is not a work but a product of God’s grace. The person will be saved, with or without his trust, because that is the nature of God’s grace and sovereignty.
https://www.christiandoctrine.com/christian-doctrine/heresy-and-error/1280-john-stott-heretic

Calvinists claim that you must be regenerated (born again) before you can repent, believe and be saved. It is also an undeniable fact that being born again must bring new life, according to the calvinists’ teaching that a dead person cannot make himself alive; only the Holy Spirit may regenerate a person and give him new life.
So, how is it that John 3:36 says that if you don’t believe, you cannot see life?
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

The only way calvinists may be even slightly logical on this one is to deny that regeneration means new life! And they won’t! They can’t afford to teach that people may be born again yet still be dead in their trespasses! (Note how much they love Ephesians 2:1 which they use to teach the new life in regeneration first!
And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

But if being born again means being saved (which the Bible clearly teaches), and if we must believe in order that we might be saved (another consistent Biblical teaching), then we must believe before we can be quickened from our deadness in sins! Please be logical!

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False gospels

06/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

When this website and facebook page was being setup, I had a number of Christians who were concerned about the site being used to put down ‘respected’ teachers and authors. The aim of course never being to do that. The aim is to ensure lies are exposed and truth is put out there. Ultimately, to ensure the true gospel is spread.

However, in the leadup to setting this page up, we were studying some of the books of prophecy in the old testament and also Romans in the new testament, and realised that a false gospel (or no gospel) teaching was moving into the local churches. This being calvinism. I never thought much about it when growing up, other than many christians in my circle told me they were a cult in the early days, then it turned into a different belief, and then many who were originally not calvinists but rather evangelical christians, were turning into calvinists. So the question had to be asked, did they test all things before they made this decision to move away from traditional evangelical doctrine to calvinist doctrines?

We started with MacArthur given his book called fundamentals of faith was being run at the church i had been going to. And also given he had a respected name amongst fundamentalists and independant baptists. Didnt take more than a few weeks to realise this man is a hyper calvinist. So the question was, if he is hyper calvinist then does his doctrine match up with the fundamentalist independant baptist doctrine I had been brought up on, which had traditionally followed the evangelical view in my part of the world.

His reading materials sounded good and spot on when only looking at the surface, which is all most people must do given most never question his teachings even if they arent calvinist. When you drilled down into his sermons that can be found on the GTY website, and specifically the ones regarding the gospel, atonement, salvation, you find he believes totally different to the traditional evangelical.

His gospel, which aligns with most calvinists I believe, is a gospel of God forces some to be elect and the rest He leaves to go to hell, apparently of their own choice, even though the calvinist gospel does not give the non-elect any choice at all and therefore they are saying in a nice way that God sends the non-elect to hell. He apparently pre-determines some to be elect because they are special (MacArthur is one of these who thinks he is special), and the rest pre-determined to goto hell.

Now this is not the gospel I know of in the Bible so obviously I test it. Does it fit in? Those who are blinded by the calvinist doctrines have become so because they have chosen to only listen to calvinist materials. They dont look at what the bible says, but rather what does the bible say according to MacArthur or whatever other calvinist teacher or author is out there.

Point in case is that MacArthur’s testimony is along the lines of always believing and he cant remember a time of conversion. John Calvin was the same. This is of course not an issue for calvinism as their gospel has very little to do with the cross of Jesus. The cross of Jesus paid the way for them, but then God chose them and they had nothing to do with their faith as it was a gift according to them. Of course when you test all these points, you find the Bible contradicts calvinism on so many levels that we find new contradictions every week without even looking for them.

I challenge you to test all things. Here is a new message posted on the website this weekend.

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Test all things

06/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Just looking at some verses in Matthew 23 and 24. Jesus said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that killed the prophets, and stoned them which are sent to you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!” ………..”For I say to you, you shall not see me from herein , till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.”

Later in chapter 24 talks about the end times: “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.”

Many people, including myself at one time, believed that Reformed theology preached the same gospel as I’d always believed in and been saved through faith in. I have since come to realise that they are different gospels. I was saved whilst in a Presbyterian church where God used a faithful elder there to point me towards faith in Christ. He obviously didn’t go by the Westminster Confession or else he wouldn’t have got me to go and give my life to Christ through an evangelist who was preaching there one night.

Most of the Presbyterian churches at that time were dead as far as the gospel is concerned except for individuals like this elder. The ones that chose not to join in the Uniting Church became more evangelical. Unfortunately some professors at the top were still very much into the Westminster Confession and it is slowly going back that way again. However, the most radical Calvinists have come about through Reformed Baptist churches and are calling themselves “New Calvinists”.  Such as John Piper, John MacArthur, etc. John MacArthur seemed to be a good teacher until you delve into his sermons and find what he really believes. When you try to find his testimony of when he  came to Christ, he doesn’t have one. He says he was always obedient as a child and never got into any real trouble, and always believed. This fits in with Todd Friel who believes if you pray the sinner’s prayer you are not saved and in fact are most likely going to hell.

Because Calvinists believe you can’t decide to follow Jesus and become his disciple. You have to be “born again” first, and then “believe”. Evangelical Christians have always taught that being “born again” means being saved, but Calvinists are teaching it to mean something quite different. So the gospel doesn’t save you according to them. Although some of them, Paul Tripp for example, say you have to say the gospel to yourself each day to be saved. Others have said you need to keep repenting each day. Sounds like the Catholic church? Well they get their doctrine from Augustine who was the main teacher of the Catholic church and called a saint by them. The Scriptures say you have to believe to be saved. They say nothing about being saved first so you can then believe.

To Calvinists, you are born to either be saved or go to hell. You have no choice in the matter. And yet in verses as I have quoted above, Jesus said he wanted them to come but they would not. Doesn’t this sound like they have a free will? Then he goes on to talk about the love of many growing cold but those who endured to the end would be saved. Sounds like a free choice to me. MacArthur says in one of his sermons that Judas chose to go to hell. And yet in another of his sermons he says that Jesus didn’t die for the sins of Judas or the crowd who yelled for his blood. MacArthur is a bit different than the other Calvinists in that he contradicts himself often. But he still firmly believes in “limited” atonement. That is, Jesus only died for those he created for heaven and not for the rest of the world. So do Calvinists believe in the same gospel? No. They change the meaning of John 3:16 to fit in with their false gospel.

They have completely ruled out faith in Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross as a precondition and the only requirement for salvation. A.W. Pink wrote, “God loves whom He chooses. He does not love everybody.” If, as John MacArthur says, God’s own sovereign good pleasure compels Him to love sinners, and only the elect benefit from his saving love because the reprobate have no chance in hell of ever being saved, it follows that only the elect are sinners. Jesus said, that He had come to seek and to save lost sinners. If God had already decided before the foundation of the world not to send his Son to suffer and die for the non-elect, then the non-elect are not lost sinners. Only those for whom He had come to save are sinners, and that could of a necessity only be the elect because they are the only ones being saved, according to Calvinism.

“And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.” – Hebrews 3 – talking of God’s elect nation of Israel.

Why don’t we listen to God’s Word and be guided by the Holy Spirit instead of believing Bible-teachers who are not infallible and not checking them out against Scripture as the Bereans did?

P Dunstone

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Music in churches

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Over the past week I have been thinking about the music style we have in many churches these days. I grew up attending a fairly conservative church, with conservative music. However, most of those I attended youth group with, had a preference for what we called Christian rock back then in the early 90’s. I just accepted that it was the same as worldly rock in that it was wrong to listen to. This was because I was just told that is how it is.

After moving out from home to complete my diploma, I of course started to listen to Christian rock. It sounded good and was addictive. So much more upbeat than the hymns and choruses I was used to. From there of course I progressed to listening to just any rock music. It all sounded so good and easy to listen to.

Whilst I could have said the Christian rock as good Christian words so it is different to secular rock, I would have been kidding myself. The only difference between the two was that because you would occasionally hear the word Jesus in Christian music, it was a little harder to listen to if I was off track, backsliding.

My thoughts this week though were more on why some people are so set on ensuring that Christian rock (or contemporary music as they like to call it), is in every church. As in rather than a person leaving a church to attend one with the music they prefer, it seems that people like to introduce it into the church they are in. Now, they may just be ignorant, but there are some who don’t feel comfortable singing with a loud beat in the background.

At first they play it softly and then it grows and grows as they push people into the ‘music ministry’, which I have seen can then cause other ministries to suffer as a result. Real ministries that have real impacts. Then I head the amplifier getting louder each sunday and they will try to add a few hymns in to keep the ‘traditionalists’ happy. However the beat they play to those hymns just destroys them as they were never written to add a beat to. So then they just start ‘buying’ the license to use songs that were written to have a beat.

So rather than focussing on ministry, and solid preaching and testing all things, the focus seems to be on ‘worship’ as they call it, but is it? Would those same people who worship God with a loud band, also be able to worship if there was just a lowly organ up the front? Do they care about anyone in the church who actually prefers not to have a loud band up front? Even those who cant attend a church with a loud band because it affects their health?

Couldn’t the people with a different preference for music just leave and start their own church? Well I think the issue here is that there is a much much bigger picture that I believe 95% or more of people in even fundamental churches these days do not even realise is unfolding.

Think of it this way, there is an enemy and he is smarter than you. You cannot outsmart Satan. Only God can. You do all things through the strength of Christ. So if we stop testing all things within our churches, and we stray even 1% towards the enemy, we have compromised. If we compromise, we will leave the door open to Satan having some control or influence. He works on the basis of control. If we sin, the same thing, we open the door to satanic influence. Satan wouldn’t bother tempting Christians if his tempting us had no effect.

He tempts us to hopefully entice us into sin. Then he tries to keep us there. By doing this, he not only distracts us from doing what God wills us to do (such as the great commission – unless you are a Calvinist and the great commission is irrelevant just like the sinners prayer is to the Calvinist), he also gains some influence. We sin once, we may find it easier to sin in that way again. It takes us further away from God in our relationship. We spend less time with God. Satan is more than happy to use the guilt thing too. The you have sinned too much so just give up and don’t bother with Christianity anymore. The Christian backslides. We know there are verses in the Bible that talk about people falling away. Some may come back but some may fall away never to again be renewed (wont go into this in this blog – will do another one on eternal security).

How this relates to the church? Well if we compromise on the music that is played in a church, we also give Satan influence in that church. God can bless His church, but how can He bless it if they don’t want to obey Him? If we take people from other ministries and put them on a stage each Sunday morning to do their show, rather than focus on truth and real worship, then the church may look like it is growing, but it is only numbers, not spirituality. The church will die spiritually at some stage.

I have previously discussed the state of Israel prior to the birth of Christ. Read Malachi and some of the other prophetic books of the old testament. There is a very clear message that in the final days of Israel (before the church), the Israelites were worshipping God. But they were telling God how He should be worshipped and then wondering why God was not blessing them, rather sending judgment.

I believe that in the final days of the church age we will see the same thing. I believe we already are seeing this. I believe there are very few churches left now in the western world at least, which are truly worshipping God in spirit and in truth. How can the church profess to be worshipping in spirit and in truth with their African drumbeats (used to worship demons), mixed with some nice sounding lyrics that makes everyone happy and have had enjoyed their time at church, if there is no teaching by the pastor to even test all things?

Your pastor is not God and will make mistakes. They are not perfect as they are human. As I have alluded to before, don’t disrespect them. However, test all things that are taught. Do this by spending time in the word studying what you have learnt and ensure that it is in line with the Bible in its entirety. Of course there are many pastors today in churches who were not called by God, rather are there for other reasons. You will only find this out if you test all things.

I found it strange that over the past 15 years, a large percentage of the leadership or pastors I have known, have been the ones to either introduce the drums into the church, or their children have. Seems strange to me that God is calling all these pastors to change the music so that drums are introduced.

If a church really wants to grow, stop focussing on how to get people into the church. Focus on worshipping God in spirit and in truth, and test all things so you understand what is the truth. Preach truth and don’t add man’s doctrines (i.e. Calvinism). Any doctrine that relies on a book other than the Bible, is unlikely to be all truth. For example, Calvinism studies or interprets the bible through the institutes of calvin. There are lots of cults out there that use the Bible but have their own literature to interpret the Bible.

Please feel free to comment on any of the above. I would love to have more discussion.

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