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Does God ordain people to disobey Him?

05/02/2018/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

As I read through the Bible I keep finding things that don’t add up with what Calvinists such as John MacArthur and John Piper, etc, try to tell us. That people have no free will to choose God, and that they are already ordained to either heaven or hell before they are born. And that foreknowledge doesn’t mean that God knows the future before it happens because He can see from outside of time and therefore knows who will choose to follow Him, but instead they say He knows who the Christians will be because he’s already written the script!!  My current reading is from Jeremiah 6 and I will put in relevant parts to show what I mean:

The LORD speaking through Jeremiah to the people of Israel and in particular those in Jerusalem. In the previous chapter also there are relevant verses quoted.

“O LORD, are not Your eyes on the truth? You have stricken them, but they have not grieved; You have consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction. They have made their faces harder than rock; they have refused to return. Therefore I said, ‘Surely these are poor. They are foolish; for they do not know the way of the LORD, the judgment of their God.'” – Jeremiah 5:3-4

“I will go to the great men and speak to them, for they have known the way of the LORD, the judgment of their God. But these have altogether broken the yoke and burst the bonds. ………………..Because their transgressions are many; their backslidings have increased.

How shall I pardon you for this? Your children have forsaken Me and sworn by those that are not gods when I had fed them to the full, then they committed adultery ………….every one neighed after his neighbour’s wife. Shall I not punish them for these things? says the LORD.” – Jeremiah 5:5-9

“And it will be when you say, ‘Why does the LORD our God do all these things to us?’ then you shall answer them, ‘Just as you have forsaken Me and served foreign gods in your land, so you shall serve aliens (strangers) in a land that is not yours’.

“But this people has a defiant and rebellious heart; they have revolted and departed. They do not say in their heart, ‘Let us now fear the LORD our God’. ………………….Your iniquities have turned these things away (the good seasons and harvests etc.), and your sins have withheld good things from you.” – Jeremiah 5:23-25

“Be instructed, O Jerusalem, lest My soul depart from you;” – Jeremiah 6:8

“To whom shall I speak and give warning, that they may hear? ……..the word of the LORD is a reproach to them; they have no delight in it. Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD…………..Everyone is given to covetousness; …………everyone deals falsely. ……Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall;”  – Jeremiah 6:10-15

“Thus says the LORD: ‘stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; then you will find rest for your souls’. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ Also, I set watchmen over you, saying, ‘Listen to the sound of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We will not listen.’ ………………..Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not heeded My words, nor My law, but rejected Me.” – Jeremiah 6:16-19

“The smelter refines in vain, for the wicked are not drawn off. People will call them rejected silver, because the LORD has rejected them”. – Jeremiah 6:29-30

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