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Biblical truth versus calvinist doctrines

27/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

I have often put forward what the bible says on certain Christian doctrines to calvinists on my facebook page. Many of them like to post what sounds like a biblica truth, and usually quoted by a well known calvinist such as Paul Washer or John MacArthur or Sproul or Piper, etc. I firstly find it strange that many of the evangelical Christians I know, dont have an issue with posting anything from a calvinist such as MacArthur, yet its a no no to post a quote from a well known pentecostal. Whilst some of the quotes are often true or great bits of inspiration, those posting them probably arent aware if the person they are quoting, even agrees with them biblically, or is even a Christian.

Satan knows the bible well and he will appear as an angel of light. He wont appear to a Christian as some evil lying murderer as that would be too easy to spot. For some reason majority of Christians in Australia have such as lack of discernment to be able to understand spiritual warfare. Just because you are a Christian does NOT mean you cant be attacked by Satan. Any teacher or preacher telling you that you cannot be attacked by Satan and that spiritual warfare is between God and Satan only, is lying to you.

How does Satan attack solid evangelical biblically fundamental churches? Well for a start, he will use different tatics on each church depending on what weaknesses he can find. You may say, but the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. Well that is true, but if the church invites Satan in then the gates arent going to keep him out now are they?

Same concept with our lives. If in our daily walk, we invite Satan into our lives through COMPROMISE and SIN, then he will gain some form of control. He gains that control through us giving him that right, through sin and compromise.  The first thing I believe Satan will take control of if we continue in sin or compromise is our discernment. It is a very dangerous weapon against Satan as with discernment, we can see through his evil schemes and lies. Without it though, we are not fully equipped for battle.

We gain discernment through reading and studying the Bible and through a close relationship with God. Even through fellowshipping with other like minded believers. The Holy Spirit gives us discernment. If we ignore the Holy Spirit and decide we are going to compromise through listening and accepting false doctrines or sin through whatever means, then how are we going to hear the Holy Spirit? I would like to study this more and there are so many answers in the Bible on all this, such as Ephesians 6 talking about the armour we are given by God and unless we wear that armour, we cannot fight effectively. If we werent in spiritual warfare, there would be zero need for armour right?

So onto calvinist doctrines (which I pray you have the discernment to see through any non-truths).  I often see someone talk about faith being a gift from God. I know straight away they are from a reformed belief when they say that, or else they are being led towards reformed. I then ask, ok so where in the bible does it say faith is a gift? I see many places it talks to faith being a response to God’s character, trusting in who He is and His promises, and a choice mind you, but I dont see anywhere in the Bible where it mentions faith being a gift.

The response is almost always either silence (as the believer doesnt really know why they believe that, they may have just been told it by their calvinist pastor), or else a ‘i’ll get back to you’ and so far they never have. You may have heard this verse quoted:

Ephesians 2:8: “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God” (NASB).

However, when you read this verse or if you study the greek and understand what it says, you will quickly find out that this verse does NOT say faith is a gift. It says that by grace you have been saved through faith, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. The gift of course being by grace you were saved. Salvation is the gift. Is this consistent with the rest of the Bible? I say yes. Salvation as a free gift is spoken of many times in the Bible. The verse of course says that it is received THROUGH faith. Faith not being the gift. However, many calvinists will twist this verse to say faith is the gift. The verse doesnt say that. Is faith being a gift consistent with the rest of the Bible? I cant find anywhere in the Bible stating faith being a gift so I say no. If the doctrine conflicts with the rest of the Bible then throw it out. If it isnt found elsewhere, and there is a doctrine in that passage or verse that is consistent, then I would go with the one that is consistent elsewhere. The Bible does NOT contradict itself (contrary to belief by many non-Christians that it does – they just dont understand it).

Is the atonement limited to just the elect? Or another way to put it, did Christ only die for the elect? Calvinists usually believe in limited atonement. Evanglical Christians believe it is for all people for whom Christ died and therefore all can come. I wont go into the logic (or illogic) that calvinist go into to prove this one, but very simply, throughout the Bible there are numerous passages that say Jesus Christ died for the whole world, or all men, gentiles and jews. However calvinists will try and prove a verse says something else. Thing is, their proof means re-writing verses to suit the doctrine. Now that is a no-no and we know what the warning is to those who change the Bible.

1 John 1:9 to 1 John 2:2 say:

If we confess our sin he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Note that ‘our sins’ applies to the same group of Christians. So the same group of Christians for whom he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse from all unrighteousness, he is also the propitiation for the sins of. But then goes onto say BUT also for the sins of the whole world. So if ‘us’ is the Jewish Christians and the ‘whole world’ is the rest of the Christians (and not the whole world as the verse does actually say), then it gets a bit confusing given John only says the Jewish Christians have an advocate with the Father and not the rest of the Christians.

Again, consistency issue. John 3:16 backs up the reading of these verses in 1 John as that Christ is the propitiation for the sins of Christians and the whole world (all including non-Christians). It says that God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son, that whosover believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. According to the calvinists, they need to rewrite this one also as the world referring to the elect only. Apparently God didnt love the rest, the other 95% of the population. Yet He says He desires all men may come. So now we have an issue with God having two wills. See how changing the meaning of a verse creates all this confusion. God is NOT the author of confusion. Satan is. So in conclusion, I believe Calvinist theology, which has its roots in Augustine (father of catholic and lutheran beliefs as well), is a counterfeit alternative to church to catholicism and is from Satan himself. Just research Augustine and you will see he was certainly no role model. Neither was Calvin for that matter.

God bless. I pray that you do your own research and checking what I have written and checking anything on this website for Biblical consistency. Also test whatever you learn in church or from other sources. I do understand that knowing and spreading truth will often lead to a lonely life, one of suffering or persecution, even from those whom you would call Christian brothers and sisters, but for the short time we are here on earth, it is worth fighting the fight and standing firm on the Biblical truth.

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Calvinists born again before they are saved

24/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Calvinists teach that regeneration must come before we are able to believe and be saved.

That is, calvinists teach that we must be born again before we can believe and be justified (made right before a holy God, that is, saved). As the article below from monergism.com states, we are born again before we are saved, or the article from christiandoctrine.com that we are regenerated (= born again) before we can move forwards toward salvation. Understand this: calvinists actually teach that we are born again in order that we might be saved! And yet, when the need arises, they’ll also claim that you have to be born again before you can believe (as per John 3:3), thus proving that we must be saved before we can believe! This calvinism is unbelievably confused and confusing!

God regenerates us and then we believe, and hence regeneration precedes our conversion.
(https://www.9marks.org/article/does-regeneration-necessarily-precede-conversion/)

After a person is regenerated, that person cooperates by exercising faith and trust. But the first step is the work of God and of God alone.
(RC Sproul https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/sproul01.html)

Apart from the new birth, we are unable to accept the gospel
Apart from the new birth, we are unable to come to Christ or embrace him as Lord
(https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/why-do-we-need-to-be-born-again-part-1)

The teaching on being “born again” is much more specific, and the bible always places that event at the beginning of the Christian life, before conversion, justification, and so on (see question 41 above). When these terms are used imprecisely, it is easy for errors to slip in to one’s understanding, such as the teaching that we’re “born again” through faith, when the bible teaches that we’re “born again” to faith, that is, that God’s regenerating grace produces in our hearts the willingness to believe in him and be saved.
(https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/qna/bornagainsaved.html)

  1. Election – God’s choice of people to save. This choice occurred before the foundation of the world.
  2. Predestination – God’s  The work of God to ordain to salvation those who have been elected to it.
  3. Calling – The preaching of the gospel message.
  4. Regeneration – The change in the person produced by God.
  5. Faith – The trust an individual has in the work of God on the cross.
  6. Repentance – Turning from sin.
  7. Justification – The imputation of righteousness to the individual bus making him righteous according to the law.
  8. Sanctification – God’s work in the individual to make him more like Christ.
  9. Perseverance – God’s work in the individual results in the person continually believing throughout his life.
  10. Glorification – Resurrection to glory with God.

https://carm.org/what-is-the-ordo-salutis

Also, obedience cannot be integral to salvation, because of the process of salvation itself. Until and when a person’s spirit is made alive through regeneration, he cannot respond to God, and he certainly never seeks Him. He might seek a version of spirituality, but not salvation as given by God. He can never seek or respond to God, because he is dead in his sins! God says that. Regeneration is needed so that when God speaks to him, the man can start to move forward towards salvation.

This part is often not realised by the person to be saved, and obedience is not part of the equation. Rather, he is made to move forward by God’s mercy and grace, until the point is reached where he hears or reads the Gospel, repents and is saved. This is all an action by God alone, without any other work. The trust given for salvation is not a work but a product of God’s grace. The person will be saved, with or without his trust, because that is the nature of God’s grace and sovereignty.
https://www.christiandoctrine.com/christian-doctrine/heresy-and-error/1280-john-stott-heretic

Calvinists claim that you must be regenerated (born again) before you can repent, believe and be saved. It is also an undeniable fact that being born again must bring new life, according to the calvinists’ teaching that a dead person cannot make himself alive; only the Holy Spirit may regenerate a person and give him new life.
So, how is it that John 3:36 says that if you don’t believe, you cannot see life?
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

The only way calvinists may be even slightly logical on this one is to deny that regeneration means new life! And they won’t! They can’t afford to teach that people may be born again yet still be dead in their trespasses! (Note how much they love Ephesians 2:1 which they use to teach the new life in regeneration first!
And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

But if being born again means being saved (which the Bible clearly teaches), and if we must believe in order that we might be saved (another consistent Biblical teaching), then we must believe before we can be quickened from our deadness in sins! Please be logical!

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False gospels

06/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

When this website and facebook page was being setup, I had a number of Christians who were concerned about the site being used to put down ‘respected’ teachers and authors. The aim of course never being to do that. The aim is to ensure lies are exposed and truth is put out there. Ultimately, to ensure the true gospel is spread.

However, in the leadup to setting this page up, we were studying some of the books of prophecy in the old testament and also Romans in the new testament, and realised that a false gospel (or no gospel) teaching was moving into the local churches. This being calvinism. I never thought much about it when growing up, other than many christians in my circle told me they were a cult in the early days, then it turned into a different belief, and then many who were originally not calvinists but rather evangelical christians, were turning into calvinists. So the question had to be asked, did they test all things before they made this decision to move away from traditional evangelical doctrine to calvinist doctrines?

We started with MacArthur given his book called fundamentals of faith was being run at the church i had been going to. And also given he had a respected name amongst fundamentalists and independant baptists. Didnt take more than a few weeks to realise this man is a hyper calvinist. So the question was, if he is hyper calvinist then does his doctrine match up with the fundamentalist independant baptist doctrine I had been brought up on, which had traditionally followed the evangelical view in my part of the world.

His reading materials sounded good and spot on when only looking at the surface, which is all most people must do given most never question his teachings even if they arent calvinist. When you drilled down into his sermons that can be found on the GTY website, and specifically the ones regarding the gospel, atonement, salvation, you find he believes totally different to the traditional evangelical.

His gospel, which aligns with most calvinists I believe, is a gospel of God forces some to be elect and the rest He leaves to go to hell, apparently of their own choice, even though the calvinist gospel does not give the non-elect any choice at all and therefore they are saying in a nice way that God sends the non-elect to hell. He apparently pre-determines some to be elect because they are special (MacArthur is one of these who thinks he is special), and the rest pre-determined to goto hell.

Now this is not the gospel I know of in the Bible so obviously I test it. Does it fit in? Those who are blinded by the calvinist doctrines have become so because they have chosen to only listen to calvinist materials. They dont look at what the bible says, but rather what does the bible say according to MacArthur or whatever other calvinist teacher or author is out there.

Point in case is that MacArthur’s testimony is along the lines of always believing and he cant remember a time of conversion. John Calvin was the same. This is of course not an issue for calvinism as their gospel has very little to do with the cross of Jesus. The cross of Jesus paid the way for them, but then God chose them and they had nothing to do with their faith as it was a gift according to them. Of course when you test all these points, you find the Bible contradicts calvinism on so many levels that we find new contradictions every week without even looking for them.

I challenge you to test all things. Here is a new message posted on the website this weekend.

https://hopperscrossingchristianchurch.com/…/calvinism-…/

If you would like to know more about how to test all things and not rely on other men but rather the Bible, then email us.

Calvinism is a Counterfeit Christian Cult – Hopper’s Crossing Christian Church
Calvinism is a counterfeit Christian cult. It is actually carefully disguised Roman Catholicism. When you clean away all the false distractors that clutter calvinist teaching – for instance, their claims that their God is more sovereign, and that they are more Biblical than the rest – you will see t…
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Test all things

06/08/2017/0 Comments/in Other/by Andrew Dunstone

Just looking at some verses in Matthew 23 and 24. Jesus said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that killed the prophets, and stoned them which are sent to you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!” ………..”For I say to you, you shall not see me from herein , till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.”

Later in chapter 24 talks about the end times: “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.”

Many people, including myself at one time, believed that Reformed theology preached the same gospel as I’d always believed in and been saved through faith in. I have since come to realise that they are different gospels. I was saved whilst in a Presbyterian church where God used a faithful elder there to point me towards faith in Christ. He obviously didn’t go by the Westminster Confession or else he wouldn’t have got me to go and give my life to Christ through an evangelist who was preaching there one night.

Most of the Presbyterian churches at that time were dead as far as the gospel is concerned except for individuals like this elder. The ones that chose not to join in the Uniting Church became more evangelical. Unfortunately some professors at the top were still very much into the Westminster Confession and it is slowly going back that way again. However, the most radical Calvinists have come about through Reformed Baptist churches and are calling themselves “New Calvinists”.  Such as John Piper, John MacArthur, etc. John MacArthur seemed to be a good teacher until you delve into his sermons and find what he really believes. When you try to find his testimony of when he  came to Christ, he doesn’t have one. He says he was always obedient as a child and never got into any real trouble, and always believed. This fits in with Todd Friel who believes if you pray the sinner’s prayer you are not saved and in fact are most likely going to hell.

Because Calvinists believe you can’t decide to follow Jesus and become his disciple. You have to be “born again” first, and then “believe”. Evangelical Christians have always taught that being “born again” means being saved, but Calvinists are teaching it to mean something quite different. So the gospel doesn’t save you according to them. Although some of them, Paul Tripp for example, say you have to say the gospel to yourself each day to be saved. Others have said you need to keep repenting each day. Sounds like the Catholic church? Well they get their doctrine from Augustine who was the main teacher of the Catholic church and called a saint by them. The Scriptures say you have to believe to be saved. They say nothing about being saved first so you can then believe.

To Calvinists, you are born to either be saved or go to hell. You have no choice in the matter. And yet in verses as I have quoted above, Jesus said he wanted them to come but they would not. Doesn’t this sound like they have a free will? Then he goes on to talk about the love of many growing cold but those who endured to the end would be saved. Sounds like a free choice to me. MacArthur says in one of his sermons that Judas chose to go to hell. And yet in another of his sermons he says that Jesus didn’t die for the sins of Judas or the crowd who yelled for his blood. MacArthur is a bit different than the other Calvinists in that he contradicts himself often. But he still firmly believes in “limited” atonement. That is, Jesus only died for those he created for heaven and not for the rest of the world. So do Calvinists believe in the same gospel? No. They change the meaning of John 3:16 to fit in with their false gospel.

They have completely ruled out faith in Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross as a precondition and the only requirement for salvation. A.W. Pink wrote, “God loves whom He chooses. He does not love everybody.” If, as John MacArthur says, God’s own sovereign good pleasure compels Him to love sinners, and only the elect benefit from his saving love because the reprobate have no chance in hell of ever being saved, it follows that only the elect are sinners. Jesus said, that He had come to seek and to save lost sinners. If God had already decided before the foundation of the world not to send his Son to suffer and die for the non-elect, then the non-elect are not lost sinners. Only those for whom He had come to save are sinners, and that could of a necessity only be the elect because they are the only ones being saved, according to Calvinism.

“And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.” – Hebrews 3 – talking of God’s elect nation of Israel.

Why don’t we listen to God’s Word and be guided by the Holy Spirit instead of believing Bible-teachers who are not infallible and not checking them out against Scripture as the Bereans did?

P Dunstone

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